There are currently more toplaners in the top 10 challenger than adc's

ISLAMICWARRIOR99··10 votes·2,141 views

There is one adc main, one support main, and the rest are a pretty even split top/mid/jungle.

But ig adc are massively overpowered and toplane is weak.

Also the highest ranked toplaner (rank 5) Plays Camille, gp, jayce, and jax. None of which are tanks.

Edit: checked EUW on op.gg and its the same except there are no supports and its majority midlaners, but still only one adc main in top 10.

37 Comments

AlienPrimate6 votes

The problem people have with top lane right now is that there are about 40 top laners with the same ~5 in every single game. The one you mentioned plays 3 of them.

ISLAMICWARRIOR992 votes

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The problem people have with top lane right now is that there are about 40 top laners with the same ~5 in every single game. The one you mentioned plays 3 of them.

That's the case in every lane though, there are a few champs that are clearly the best mid/ad/jg/sup. And the fact people are saying champs like jax are weak (cough cough hashinshin) are ignoring the fact rank 5 on the ladder has a 71% winrate as him playing against the best players on the server.

HaIlMonitor1 votes

How do you know that is top lane Jax though?

Like just because I know for sure Dyrus most played champs are Jax (68% winrate) and Cammile (36% winrate) rofl, but all of those jax games are jungle. It could just be what people think is the best jungle in high elo so that is what they play.

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/jax/all

Globally he is being play Jungle way more then Top.

ISLAMICWARRIOR991 votes

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How do you know that is top lane Jax though?

Like just because I know for sure Dyrus most played champs are Jax (68% winrate) and Cammile (36% winrate) rofl, but all of those jax games are jungle. It could just be what people think is the best jungle in high elo so that is what they play.

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/jax/all

Globally he is being play Jungle way more then Top.

Because hes a toplaner? You can look at his acct and see he plays toplane champs and doesn't take smite so hes not jungling.

chipndip13 votes

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The problem people have with top lane right now is that there are about 40 top laners with the same ~5 in every single game. The one you mentioned plays 3 of them.

And none of them are tanks...but we're whining about the state of fighters...and Camille's a fighter...

Salron1 votes

Camille is also one of the most overpowered champions in the game atm

chipndip12 votes

[{quoted}](name=Face The Win,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Esii6sbA,comment-id=000300010000,timestamp=2018-02-06T05:11:34.247+0000)

Camille is also one of the most overpowered champions in the game atm

If some of the best champs in top lane aren't tanks, doesn't that mean top lane's naturally shifting away from tank dominance (in solo queue at least)?

Salron1 votes

I wouldn't really count it as "naturally moving away from tanks" when most of the top lane mains at the top of NA challenger ALL main Camille

Not to mention she got buffed for absolutely no reason in 7.24

Jaspers1 votes

She wasn't seeing enough Pro play of flying across the map killing ADCs. Gotta get those cool looking highlights.

chipndip11 votes

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She wasn't seeing enough Pro play of flying across the map killing ADCs. Gotta get those cool looking highlights.

I thought you guys like top laners being able to do something about marksmen?

Trash MammaI5 votes

Why the heck do people always use the 1% of the playerbase (those of which play league nonstop for 10+ hours straight daily and make a living off it) as a basis for determining what is and isn't good as well as some people using LCS as a platform that just seems retarded.

FOR JUSTICE1 votes

it sounds stupid to take for granted like, more then 99% of the player base but to be fair, as the literal professionals of the game, we're kind of prone to take what they say as the truth because we see them just that credible. they are the best of the best, so why wouldn't we listen?

ISLAMICWARRIOR993 votes

[{quoted}](name=Simple Tora,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Esii6sbA,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-02-06T02:39:47.664+0000)

Why the heck do people always use the 1% of the playerbase (those of which play league nonstop for 10+ hours straight daily and make a living off it) as a basis for determining what is and isn't good as well as some people using LCS as a platform that just seems retarded.

  1. most people in silver and gold have the same number of games played, these players just win way more. You can hit masters in like 90 games if you win enough.

  2. Because these are the best players so how the do shows the actual state of the game. Soraka mid can 1v9 in silver but that doesn't mean its op. The closest ur gonna get to balance is balancing around how the players using champs correctly play, not idiots running around araming in low elo.

chipndip14 votes

[{quoted}](name=Simple Tora,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Esii6sbA,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-02-06T02:39:47.664+0000)

Why the heck do people always use the 1% of the playerbase (those of which play league nonstop for 10+ hours straight daily and make a living off it) as a basis for determining what is and isn't good as well as some people using LCS as a platform that just seems retarded.

People use good players to decide what's good in the game because no one's looking to some Bronzie or unranked casual for League advice or balancing decisions.

Also, I'm typing this not knowing your rank, so if you ARE Bronze...that's just unlucky.

Trash MammaI1 votes

According to placements i'm gold 4 in both solo/duo and flex (played solo). Not sure what my ACTUAL rank is as I never play ranked again after hitting gold so I can't really say if i'm plat+ or not.

Also, the majority of the playerbase is in "low" elo. When you consider what champ is strong you don't go looking for that 1 Zed OTP rampaging through the ladder. You look for the 500 Ezreal players in the majority of the playerbase and see he's overperforming (random champs ofc)

chipndip12 votes

[{quoted}](name=Simple Tora,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Esii6sbA,comment-id=000400020000,timestamp=2018-02-06T04:51:37.962+0000)

According to placements i'm gold 4 in both solo/duo and flex (played solo). Not sure what my ACTUAL rank is as I never play ranked again after hitting gold so I can't really say if i'm plat+ or not.

...You're Gold 4.

Also, the majority of the playerbase is in "low" elo.

And?

When you consider what champ is strong you don't go looking for that 1 Zed OTP rampaging through the ladder. You look for the 500 Ezreal players in the majority of the playerbase and see he's overperforming (random champs ofc)

No. That's not what you do. When you want to see what's strong or weak, you look at the better/best players, not the casuals and average players.

HaIlMonitor1 votes

No. That's not what you do. When you want to see what's strong or weak, you look at the better/best players, not the casuals and average players.

For climbing you just pick brain dead easy to play champs like Sona to climb. Why pick Riven, when you can just pick Garen and climb up to plat by Pub stromping?

chipndip11 votes

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For climbing you just pick brain dead easy to play champs like Sona to climb. Why pick Riven, when you can just pick Garen and climb up to plat by Pub stromping?

Idk if this is a low-key jab at me or not...I'm hoping not...

FOR JUSTICE4 votes

at least its some leweight against the circlejerkers.

PopcornBunni3 votes

Shh don't tell the boards their circlejerk of tankhating isn't accurate. Let them believe a sub 48% winrate Ornn is op.

ISLAMICWARRIOR991 votes

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Shh don't tell the boards their circlejerk of tankhating isn't accurate. Let them believe a sub 48% winrate Ornn is op.

I agree a lot of tanks do too much damage, but yea they definetly aren't just roflstomping every bruiser

PopcornBunni1 votes

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I agree a lot of tanks do too much damage, but yea they definetly aren't just roflstomping every bruiser

I'm in agreement to an extent. Wardens (Poppy Shen TahmKench , etc) should do decent damage since they lack the reliable engage of Vanguards. Wardens should have stats near, but not quite reaching, juggernaut levels, which they often do. Wardens keep their opponents at bay and hard to get in while punishing them if they do, kind of like how Juggernauts keep the opponent from getting away once they are in a fight. Add on top of this that wardens usually have much less CC than Vanguards, so their power budget is afforded to have more raw stat advantage.

Vanguards like Maokai should definitely not be chunking huge portions of health on top of their chain cc though, for sure.

General Esdeath 1 votes

Ornn isn't OP. His damage is too high.

If you have a skill that does 100% max HP true damage but have a 48% winrate, does that make the ability OK?

Mizaya3 votes

You don't need to bring up challenger to argue that ADC isn't the best role for climbing; most of ADC power is derived from the team as a whole rather than the decisions the player himself makes. Plus I'm pretty sure u can't duo in challenger anymore... that's pretty big for ADC players.

ISLAMICWARRIOR991 votes

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You don't need to bring up challenger to argue that ADC isn't the best role for climbing; most of ADC power is derived from the team as a whole rather than the decisions the player himself makes. Plus I'm pretty sure u can't duo in challenger anymore... that's pretty big for ADC players.

Considering boards blatantly denies logic you do have to bring up chall or they just go "but a 20/0 twitch 1v5 me one game adc must be broken"

Ahristocats3 votes

those posts are always funny you know those posts who take top7 challenger, top 10 challenger

why don't you take top100 challenger? top 150?

yea, worse than posts blaming adcs for ruining items

ISLAMICWARRIOR991 votes

[{quoted}](name=Je suis Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Esii6sbA,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2018-02-06T13:33:34.544+0000)

those posts are always funny you know those posts who take top7 challenger, top 10 challenger

why don't you take top100 challenger? top 150?

yea, worse than posts blaming adcs for ruining items

There are currently more toplaners and junglers in master+chall compared to adc lol i just pointed out the best players

Kai Guy2 votes

For clarity, Are we talking exclusively about NA challenger or global? I would also like to know what site your using to prevent arguments that might be generated by folks using a different website.

ISLAMICWARRIOR991 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kai Guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Esii6sbA,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-02-06T03:17:48.072+0000)

For clarity, Are we talking exclusively about NA challenger or global? I would also like to know what site your using to prevent arguments that might be generated by folks using a different website.

NA but I doubt the composition is much different in other servers.

And I'm using both op.gg and the literal lol client (if you go to ranked you can see chall and it shows top played champs).

Also just looked up euw on op.gg and added it, its the same just no supports and more mids.

Mordepool1 votes

Yeah Camille is pick or ban right now What's his winrate I wonder. Probably a lot less than his winrate on Jax last season.

ISLAMICWARRIOR991 votes

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Yeah Camille is pick or ban right now What's his winrate I wonder. Probably a lot less than his winrate on Jax last season.

71% lol

Oohaha Sharkbait1 votes

The people arguing against your point don't use facts. They use their own bias opinion. Like how a Zed main tries to tell me that Zed is useless, despite experienced Zed players having a 55% winrate on the champion.

General Esdeath 1 votes

Right now I see support, jungle, jungle, adc, mid, top, mid, jungle, mid, top, number 11 is adc.

ISLAMICWARRIOR991 votes

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Right now I see support, jungle, jungle, adc, mid, top, mid, jungle, mid, top, number 11 is adc.

So the most op role has 1 in top ten and weakest role has 2. Hm seems like boards might be wrong as usual.

General Esdeath 1 votes

Except you're saying your own post was wrong

you ok bud?

ISLAMICWARRIOR991 votes

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Except you're saying your own post was wrong

you ok bud?

No? people are calling adc op when its out represented in high elo by the "weakest" lane

General Esdeath 1 votes

Mid isn't really the weakest, good roams in high elo.

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