Remove armor pen from black cleaver

Bultz·Feb 1, 2017·3 votes·904 views

It just makes champions like Darius too op. Cd, armor pen, speed buff, damage.

12 Comments

Critmaster GarenFeb 1, 20172 votes

if you think darius shouldnt synergize with cleaver like that, then you missed the point of the item.

its supposed to be the core item for spell based fighters, like item 3078 for auto attacking fighters, item 3031 for adc, item 3089 for mages, item 3124 for on hit champions.

BultzFeb 1, 20171 votes

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if you think darius shouldnt synergize with cleaver like that, then you missed the point of the item.

its supposed to be the core item for spell based fighters, like for auto attacking fighters, for adc, for mages, for on hit champions.

remove it.

RalanrFeb 1, 20172 votes

It doesn't have armor pen, it has armor shred (which ends up making flat pen more powerful).

Honestly if it did have Lethality then it'd probably be weaker on full lethality ADCs.

Critmaster GarenFeb 1, 20171 votes

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It doesn't have armor pen, it has armor shred (which ends up making flat pen more powerful).

Honestly if it did have Lethality then it'd probably be weaker on full lethality ADCs.

changing it to lethality would probably end up as a buff for the champions who are using it.

a lot of them like darius already have % penetration built into their kits, which doesnt stack well with the % shred of cleaver. if they changed it to lethality, the difference in effectiveness against armor stackers would usually be small.

the damage increase against squishies would be huge.

im up for it.

RalanrFeb 1, 20171 votes

Beyond Garen and Darius, who that uses it has %penetration?

Critmaster GarenFeb 1, 20171 votes

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Beyond Garen and Darius, who that uses it has %penetration?

depends on who else is using it.

wukong comes to mind. fiora has true damage.

i guess illaoi would be an example of someone who doesnt have shred.

thinking of it, its actually not a lot of champions who get cleaver. most of the fighters go for triforce.

WylderthanuFeb 1, 20172 votes

If you are talking about removing it completely without replacing it with something then you are drunk bruh. Champs like darius aren't broken right now.

BultzFeb 1, 20171 votes

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If you are talking about removing it completely without replacing it with something then you are drunk bruh. Champs like darius aren't broken right now.

lol your fuckign out of your mind lol

Sionnan69Feb 1, 20171 votes

Darius is only brone at low elos. Otherwise he'd be pick ban in lcs/lck

Tychusfindlay919Feb 1, 20171 votes

lol, if you removed cleaver you would have to hardcore buff darius and garen.

Darius's E would have to go up to like 45% armor ignore at max level E (would probably break him because he'd start going lethality and deal true damage to anything and everything without needing his ult) and garen's shred would have to go up as well (and probably would break him too).