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Wouldn't want any tanks to be playable top, now would we?
PS: I know people are going to come with the usual arguments so yes. The Galio nerfs were warranted, it's just so funny that even after these nerfs I still see people complain about him even though he's almost Nautilus-levels of awful in terms of winrate.
Ahristocats23 voteswhat's a nautilus? 44% win rate? better buff 50% win rate 
by decreasing selfslow from 60% to 30%, not going to break him at all he needed those buffs
Malicious Metal22 votesOh, I can already see this board being littered with Rammus complaints.
Ahristocats2 votesi might be one of them
i'm climbing atm while being in d1 promos, soon i'll be matched again against LEXER shieldstar and i couldn't beat his rammus toplane before now with this, how the fuck will i be able to beat this shit?
why would you ever buff a 50% win rate tank when nautilus and poppy have both 44% and 46% win rate
Malicious Metal3 votesRammus is easily shred by AP Mordekaiser but he's so annoying to deal with whenever he's good.
Well, they did buff poppy, yet Nautilus got preemtively nerfed before the tank update. All he needs is lower mana costs, more regen or mana pool in general to be viable again.
Ahristocats2 votespoppy buff didn't change her win rate, who would think that +1% max hp damage would change something And yes, nautilus needs less mana cost
now, i forgot that i'm playing morde unlike before, that's a good thing against rammus
Malicious Metal3 votes->
This
This is your friend in the battles to come
Big Lincoln7 votesmy fav garen item
3TWarrior1 votesshame so few items help his E XD
Big Lincoln1 voteslethality/last whisper works great for his E
most people avoid it because they feel it makes him too squishy
3TWarrior1 votesyeah, just kind of "cuts" into his defense though whereas the AP stuff can stay defensive
I don't use the AP stuff though...been forever since I played garen as well
Tormentula1 votesI like 
better
Fuck getting kited
Bodkins Odds1 votesIt's actually +2% max hp damage, since it was a +1% buff to both procs of damage.
Wet Dryman2 voteswhy would you ever buff a 50% win rate tank when nautilus and poppy have both 44% and 46% win rate
Because of some people that didn't like that their champion now needs a little more than simply run your opponent down with little counterplay spells and call that a nerf. But I don't think it will be as bad because Thornmail is loosing damage.
Big Lincoln13 votesThornmail changes are a big nerf to rammus damage output so at least there's a silver lining
AirKingNeo2 votesRammus sucks right now.
His playrate is too low for accurate winrate stats, like Kayle.
Ahristocats2 votesRammus is extremely strong right now and does not need buffs, any every single rammus otp in diamond+ would agree
you can ask renascent, king odin, LEXER shieldstar just find me ONE high elo rammus main that thinks rammus is weak and needs a buff
the vocal minority that is the board, filled of 30 games on rammus in silver 5 think that he should get buffed is not the same
rammus does not need a buff, but maybe meddler decided to buff him as a compensation for thornmail nerf, since thornmail will be worse on tanks like rammus since it will slow attack speed, which means it will nerf rammus damage since enemies will hit him less
BioticBrony13 votesUm, just because someone has a low winrate doesn't mean people can't find them annoying to face.
Heck I still hate facing garen despite him being weak right now mainly just because his kit is binary.
Also when does winrate correlate to how a champion feels to play against cause I remember two champions who are now reworked who used to feel so bad to play against one of them was thrown off the free week even after he was nerfed to the ground.
kasfas6 votesThat also brings up the question, how the hell did sion's winrate drop from nuber 5 to number 33?!
The hell caused that? His skill max hasn't changed at all, and his counters aren't doing any better than they were before.
I think it's a combination of doran's nerfs and sunfire changes because like I had said before tanks want the spike from getting bami's and not have to wait for an extra 200 gold.
Símo1 votesYour right about sunfire changes,but you forgot that 
and a few other champions that give no counterplay to tanks took over toplane.
kasfas2 votesBut they didnt get directly stronger from the recent patch. Sion dropped from 5 to 33 in terms of winrate according to op.gg, in addition to his pick rate DROPPING by 0.07 percent (miniscule but less people are playing the champ). realistically i think its because riot still doesnt know how fucked up the tank item changes actually were and have no clue how to fix these tanks. You can fix them by letting them have duelling power again, but for some god-forsaken reason they hate the idea of a tank who can interact with his lane opponent and must exclusively farm and roam in order to have any miniscule impact on the game.
Símo1 votesThey got stronger,because of how fucked tanks were,and darius was already kicking out tanks from top lane.
Ahristocats2 votesthen why did darius win rate dropped
=?
Símo2 votesRiot fbi stealth nerfs and
and how darius gets kited hard by adcs and adcs are in meta,and that's not good for darius either.
SenzaRespiro891 votesPlaying gp top is a death sentence in this meta right now lol. Lee, elise, kha zix, warwick will just towerdive you over and over again.
Símo1 votesWell he's strong against alot of top laners,and you can't always dive him (gp has a jungler too ya know!)
Aeszarck1 votesThat also brings up the question, how the hell did sion's winrate drop from nuber 5 to number 33?!
The help caused that? His skill max hasn't changed at all, and his counters aren't doing any better than they were before.
I think it's a combination of doran's nerfs and sunfire changes because like I had said before tanks want the spike from getting bami's and not have to wait for an extra 200 gold.
Sion has been one of the most reliable top laners I've seen. He's normally at the top of the winrate charts and it's so odd that he would drop so far without any direct changes.
kasfas1 votesExactly. This leads me to believe that some recent sweeping changes caused fundamental problems with the champions balance that make it extremely volatile.
cough tank update sucks cough
But I want to give this another patch I think, and if it remains low I want to see more sion buffs. This time maybe they can change his e to better complement his q damage by increasing the armour shred. Perhaps instead just increase the ratio on his q by another 5% base ad or even better make his q do more damage when not charged as much.
JSTIN81 votesTank item changes sucked dick. News at 11
TeCoolMage1 votessome people play him crit, some play him tank, some play him on hit, others play him AP support, and then the winrate graph looks like roller coaster track
Big Lincoln3 votesgood, good
less competition for my rise to power
Malicious Metal1 votesFunny thing is, people still build SIX tank items and wonder why their win rate plummeted. It's clearly intended for him to build at least one or two ap items.
Big Lincoln3 votesd e a t h t o t a n k s
Salson1 votesThat sounds like something a ranged toplaner main would say.
Big Lincoln1 votesu got me lawl
chipndip11 votes"Little did they know...I was a JUGGERNAUT MAIN ALL ALONG! MWUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!"
Doozku1 votesWouldn't a Juggernaut main love tanks which give easy lanes? Or maybe there's something I'm missing.
kasfas1 votesOh yea I always build roa on him, even before the nerfs. Only problem is I can't buy abyssal anymore because their passives overlap. Have tried rylais though, can say it's real nice having a slow on q in addition to his base cc.
Sahn Uzal2 votesGranted, he still has a respectable playrate, unlike Nautilus. But Yes. That's a pretty shitty winrate lol
THE RlVER KlNG1 votesStill much smaller than Riven, Fiora, Kled, J4, Darius, etc.
Sahn Uzal1 votesJust playing Devil's advocate.
Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votesI know people are going to come with the usual arguments so yes.
i won't come with usual arguments... just with a plain YES*[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]*
Salson1 votesCompetitive balance strikes again.
VoraciousX1 votesPeople are still building him like an AD tank, even in the mid lane. Riot are trying to make him a magic resist focused tank to compete in mid lane. They nerfed him in that specific way for a reason. His Q still hurts like hell though even with no AP items. The top picked core items are all ONE MR item and 2 armor items. In the top lane, when he's picked, 65% of the time it's against an AD top laner. When he's picked mid lane, he still builds mostly armor despite his mid laner being AP. He loses around 44% of the time top. Gee, I wonder why.
TLDR Galio isn't meant to counter everyone. If you see a lot of AP picks on the enemy team, that's when you're supposed to pick him. Not every single game. Oh and people are building him in a way which he's not meant to be built.
PhoenixOfHeaven1 votesWait. Since when was Nautalius in a bad spot....? His win rates are down, but he's done me wonders. I think he has THE most CC in the game, too!
Lyndris1 votesHis kit is literally, cc with cc sprinkled on top with cc on the side and a cc dip... But he just lacks mana to solo lane/jung...
Dr Poro3 votesWinrate isn't everything, but when it's 44%, it's safe to say he's in a bad spot. I guess Sunfire cape got nerfed too hard along with less HP in items.
PhoenixOfHeaven1 votesYeah I suppose so... Maybe touching up his E for better minion clear'll be a start...
Meanie401 votesNautilus's drop show Rito's classic balancing:
GG Rito, GG.
Geshultz1 votesRest in peace Nautilus.
SweedishGunner1 votesI think the issue here is Riot wants these guys to optimise into some AP to do some damage, but doing that early makes you too squishy and doing it late has no impact on your damage.
