The game is so much more enjoyable when there aren't any enchanters played

Malicious Metal·Sep 19, 2017·50 votes·3,596 views

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Am I the only one who misses seeing more tank supports and kill lanes like brand/Zyra/bard?

The game is at least a million times more enjoyable because these champions try to outsmart and outplay each other and try to get a lead by being PROACTIVE rather than just sitting back and healing their adc.

I miss seeing Thresh try going for the Madlife plays, I miss Bard setting his team up with a great tempered fate, I miss Brand setting the world on fire.

#I miss people wanting to make plays and display their skill over being passive and trying to get a win with basically no effort

Edit: Oh boy, what have I done by mentioning Bard and similar damage heavy supports o_O

148 Comments

chipndip1Sep 19, 201768 votes

I'm actually going to be legit toxic to anyone that talks about mage supports in a positive way on these boards. These boards were whining and complaining about mage supports, and how "real supports aren't being played", for WAY TOO LONG just a few months ago for you guys to change up like this now.

Personally, I hope mage supports are never meta again, making Zyra useless and Brand unable to be a flex pick anymore. All that bellyaching still grates me.

SalsonSep 19, 201712 votes

I'm actually going to be legit toxic to anyone that talks about mage supports in a positive way on these boards.

and Zyra are hot.

Celestial Lion12Sep 19, 20178 votes

god whenever i played adc during that meta i fucking hated it zyra snaring you and chunking half your health it was super annoying to play against and i never want her to be meta again

I Main SwainSep 19, 20172 votes

same i would ban her any time i played adc because i was so done with getting almost 100-0 by a zyra with nothing but a frostqueens claim for damage

5000000000000000Sep 19, 20174 votes

I just hope Zyra becomes a meta mid laner, so that people will start playing her mid instead of just support.

I Main SwainSep 19, 20172 votes

it feels weird saying that because i remember she used to just be a mid laner (or at least for me maybe it was just because i was among newer players mostly at the time) and it was like this kinda new thing when people started taking her support a lot

ElipoSep 19, 20177 votes

Exactly. This meta is better than ap mid as suports

Dextix LTSep 19, 20177 votes

THANK YOU!!!!

Mage supports are the BIGGEST cancer imaginable, i would rather face ANY enchanter over zyra/brand.

We did not change anything, But Malicious just HAD to bullshit here.

MLDzXnRRRSep 20, 20174 votes

Brand can 1v2 whille his adc afk farms. Zyra is just annoying, because the plants are cancer. I'm not sure why would a Morde main praise Zyra when vs a good Zyra Morde is just better sitting afk in the fountain,

AmazoXSep 19, 20172 votes

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I'm actually going to be legit toxic to anyone that talks about mage supports in a positive way on these boards. These boards were whining and complaining about mage supports, and how "real supports aren't being played", for WAY TOO LONG just a few months ago for you guys to change up like this now.

Personally, I hope mage supports are never meta again, making Zyra useless and Brand unable to be a flex pick anymore. All that bellyaching still grates me.

I agree with you but I think what we mean is that enchanters are boring to play and even less fun to play against when comparing to mage supports, Mage supports are definitely cancerous but enchanters basically show you the victory screen in 25 minutes pretty easily.

chipndip1Sep 19, 20176 votes

Trust me: The day tank supports come back in full force, we'll have just as many people complaining about "no skill Alistar/Leona combos".

Still, I agree that Riot has been way too complacent on the lack of skill expression from enchanter kits, as well as fixing up how archaic most of them are.

WinterwingsSep 19, 20174 votes

I think im going to bookmark this thread, and then when that day comes, redirect folks here just for giggles :^)

SwarovskoSep 20, 20172 votes

I did the same. Just waiting for ardent to get deleted from the game so the meta will shift and for people to complain about how Braum makes melee lives hell, how Leona can ult you, base and come back to lane with her ult being already up and how Alistar dives you without taking damage. And let's not forget about Thresh being "the lee sin of bot lane". I'm just waiting for it.

TormentulaSep 19, 201740 votes

Its a viscous cycle of metas becoming worse and worse to the point we miss what we hated based on what we hate less.

Zyra Malzahar

"BOT LANE IS CANCER, SUPPORTS DO MORE THEN THE MIDS, NERF PLZ"

Lulu Janna Soraka

"ENCHANTERS ARE BROKEN, ARDENT IS TOXIC, LETS GET BACK TO AP SUPPORTS"

I'll make a prediction here:

Alistar Braum Taric

"TANKS SUPPORTS ARE DIVING, UNKILLABLE, CC IS BROKEN OP NIGHTBLUE IS SPAMMING THEM JG AGAIN MAKE ENCHANTERS GOOD AGAIN SO i CAN CS ALSO WHY IS ALISTAR AND KALISTA JG DIVING ME"

We don't see an ideal meta and stick to it, instead we complain how cancer a meta is, and then when its gone we wish it back... and then when the new meta is gone along with the old one, another one shows up which we hate...

and then finally we're back to the meta we didn't mind as much, except it's magically 10x worse then we remember and we continue the viscous cycle.

Mid season reminded me why tank metas feel so unplayable and uninteractive.

chipndip1Sep 19, 20175 votes

CANCER TANK META SEJUANI AT IT AGAIN GIMME OLD SEJUANI

I Main SwainSep 19, 20172 votes

ngl i miss old sej but a solid amount of that is because of the old tank items that could make me freaking invincible

CowseedSep 19, 20172 votes

We don't see an ideal meta and stick to it, instead we complain how cancer a meta is, and then when its gone we wish it back... and then when the new meta is gone along with the old one, another one shows up which we hate...

That's kindof the problem attitude in the community. No one every really tries to analyze the meta and then make counter strategies. Everyone is basically "Riot nerfed this. HEY! That guy over there is playing that champ/item! Let me just copy this strategy without any real clue as to why it works and complain about it when I lose to it because my opponent is better at 'abusing' it :D"

I'd have expected that when tanks become meta then people would just play tank busters. But nope. Let's just saturate the game with tanks instead. That's how I would have thought when I first started this game anyway. But when the counter to the meta is doing well people start asking for that counter to get nerfed like with tabi's and lethality which to this DAY irritates me with a passion.

I'm wised up though. I realize that people will either

A) One trick a champion B) Be a meta-thot and only play what youtube says is OP C) Less likely unless normals but play what they like from there set aside champion pool

It's getting kinda repetitive. I can understand when it's something that doesn't really have a counter like support itemization where it's utility or the adc role and you can't really just counter that and have to yield and play the same thing or face a greater risk of falling behind (because you didn't necessarily have to play a mage support) and very few counter matches exit but when something is meta that had counters i kinda just some interest in this game. Waiting for preseason for some freshness though.

SkorchSep 19, 201726 votes

"Am I the only one who misses seeing more tank supports" No you arent the only one. "and kill lanes like brand/Zyra/bard?" Yes you are the only one.

People hated their mids going botlane, botlanes hated mages 1 shotting them. No one liked mages bot lane.

Ill take tanks bot though, thats fine.

KarfussSep 19, 201718 votes

I pray that mage support meta does never return. Nobody liked it, except the mid laners looking for an offpick role.

Nobody enjoyed getting one rotation burst by Brand or Annie. Your own ADC hated that you were taking all the kills to become a second rate mid mage. Tank and enchanters hated that their utility was no match for burst mages with utility.

I actually consider the bot lane meta now, to be less toxic than that meta. Absolutely awful, and should never be allowed to creep up and exist again.

sobi999Sep 19, 20171 votes

Come on, you are actually saying mages are dominating the rift? The reasons enchanters are so brain dead is because you adc's want them to be your B*ches and that's why mages, that can carry themselves, are seen as nuisance. If anything its the mages and assassins suffering atm.

Dextix LTSep 19, 20174 votes

Not currently. But they were dominant, in bot lane. It was cancerous. He is talking about that, about mages going "support" while still dealing enough damage to burst you or your adc down without any effort.

They are seen as a nuisance not because they can carry, because they are a carry class. They are seen as a nuisance when they come bot lane and at level 3 rotation remove 60%+ of your adcs hp and then proceed to zone you, because if you get close, you die.

TonyTonyMordecaiSep 19, 201715 votes

It takes a lot of effort to win games as Sona, because everyone eats skillshots like they're free candy and they don't understand that my level 1 heal is only ~35 health and costs 80 mana.

TyrekGoldenspearSep 19, 20175 votes

Lol, ikr. It's like when you're an enchanter people forget how to dodge because they think you can top them off lvl 1 like it's late game.

TonyTonyMordecaiSep 19, 201711 votes

They don't understand that Sona works like an inverted hypercarry; I get stronger with levels, but only as long as the rest of you don't die repeatedly and I can get assists from every battle. Ugh... The things I have to deal with as a support player...

WinterwingsSep 19, 201713 votes

Maybe... just maybe... Instead of asking for enchanters to get cucked again, you could instead complain and ask for riot to add more tools for said enchanters to express the skill level in same way as Thresh/Bard/Brand etc.

But i guess, Rito doesn't want enchanters to try to outplay others in lane... instead they are perfectly content with them being Marksman's second inventory slave (Which makes me, as a Enchanter main since Season 1, extremely sad to see it) Don't get me wrong, they are far better off now then they were back then, but the direction that they were taken in relegates them so much to helping the Marksman and not so much towards full teamwide utility.

[sg-soraka]

JackMcSnipeyzSep 19, 20179 votes

Lol no. Just couple months ago botlane was cancer with mage "supports" bursting in 1 rotation because they are a 2nd midlaner, there was nothing fun about being bullied out of lane by zyra or brand or annie spamming their skills on you.

Tank supports are fine, you want them to be overtuned AKA dive turret without going below 50%, no thanks.

Enchanters are boring, yea, overtuned a bit - okay, just tone them down, i dont want thresh madlife wannabe 90% of my games.

WinterwingsSep 19, 20174 votes

Thing is, they are being toned down as we speak. item 3504 - Lost it's healing which made it mandatory and oppressive. Got compensated a bit. Good change overall. Janna - Questionable changes, but changes nonetheless... even though it feels like Riot just slapped it all together to shut people up Now the only piece of the puzzle that remains is item 3301

But of course, people being people... they don't want to settle for these "toned-down" changes, and would instead rather keep crying on until Enchanters are screwed over again and reverted back to being ward-slaves...

KnoyleSep 19, 20177 votes

Before the meta hit... I was playing Lulu like she was Thresh. None of that max E first bullshit. I was pokin' bitches down and baiting assassins like Chris Hansen. Now It's actually very unrewarding to take item 3303 to the point you LOSE gold compared to the other items. I hate it. I miss being the bitch in lane, not a bitch waiting for something to happen. Enchanters are just another victim of the meta in all honesty and it really eats me when people tell me they take no skill. (maybe it's true for Janna that bitch is boring af to play.)

AhristocatsSep 19, 20176 votes

enchanters except janna all need a rework

janna needs power redistribution from E and R into Q and W but she got ruined with that pbe rework because riot is incompetent

Ben SharpioSep 19, 20172 votes

That's a good thing that she got ruined. Hopefully nobody will play her anymore and get to diamond 5 for free. Now all riot has to do is absolutely murder Lulu and Soraka. And by "murder" i mean add more skillshots to their kits. That will drive off all of the support players from playing them because support players have grown to hate the idea of having to actually try and play the game to win because of this meta.

AhristocatsSep 19, 20175 votes

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TormentulaSep 19, 20173 votes

Savage.

AhristocatsSep 19, 20175 votes

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Its post like these that make nobody take what you say seriously lol

ok dude let me take ALL THIS TIME to see what your comment

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You act like being ~~masters for a short time because darius bot lane and mordekaiser~~ diamond 1 gives you the privileged to shit talk everybody on the boards

did i ever shittalk malicious metal? did i ever shittalk ralanr? no i fucking didn't, there are respectable people on the board that do not post bullshit and i don't have anything against them

and then, i won't name shame but there are people that ACTUALLY deserve my wrath

this dude above you tries to tell me what takes skill and what doesn't when he plays sion with ghost redemption trinity force and other shitty itemization then complains about sion being weak when sion has 52% win rate

so i'm sorry, but don't come and talk to me about skill when you can't play the game

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when half the stuff you say isn't even relevant or of much concern to the average playerbase, only in "masters which you're not in yet"

so? that doesn't mean i'm wrong it just means i'm right on things that you do not encounter

but low elo catch ups 3 months later

just like ivern lulu tristana all those picks that i said were broken but no one cared except 3 months later

TormentulaSep 19, 201711 votes

[{quoted}](name=i am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Eo9hKFZV,comment-id=00020000000100000000,timestamp=2017-09-19T17:09:57.390+0000)

ok dude let me take ALL THIS TIME to see what your comment

Damn, how much time are we talkin?

did i ever shittalk malicious metal? did i ever shittalk ralanr? no i fucking didn't, there are respectable people on the board that do not post bullshit and i don't have anything against them

and then, i won't name shame but there are people that ACTUALLY deserves my wrath

There's a lot of people that deserve each others wrath.

But we have civil discussion here (and if you don't think this is civil, being all over the place I assure you this is a surprisingly mild community on the boards, minus the occasion rants in player behavior.)

We don't flame each other's post and knock them down based on playerstyle and elo. Whether you're right, or wrong, there are better ways to get your points across. Malicious does make good post, and his replies to his comments don't include "???" "ftfy" "and when you're a sion otp and you're bad with him, complain about him being weak when he has 52% win rate in high elo, you should not reply to me".

You want to hear from him as you're willing to listen. In your case, half your post after the first line people want to tune out because its usually something arrogant or sarcastic or relating to your morde bot and being masters.

this dude above you tries to tell me what takes skill and what doesn't when he plays sion with ghost redemption trinity force and other shitty itemization then complains about sion being weak when sion has 52% win rate

so i'm sorry, but don't come and talk to me about skill when you can't play the game

Such as this, you're basically telling another player to fuck off on the boards because of their playstyle and elo. I've been told by plenty of bronze and silver to git gud while being d5, I don't complain, it doesn't bother me, and I don't call them out on not knowing how to play the game esp. on the boards.

so? that doesn't mean i'm wrong it just means i'm right on things that you do not encounter

but low elo catch ups 3 months later

just like ivern lulu tristana all those picks that i said were broken but no one cared except 3 months later

You're not wrong in this scenario, personally I don't even remember these post, but you're not wrong here. These are the post to focus on. There are just better tones to use when replying to a post.

Such as your reply to me already began with "you're wasting my valuable time" in a sense.

chipndip1Sep 19, 20174 votes

[{quoted}](name=i am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Eo9hKFZV,comment-id=00020000000100000000,timestamp=2017-09-19T17:09:57.390+0000)

did i ever shittalk malicious metal? did i ever shittalk ralanr? no i fucking didn't, there are respectable people on the board that do not post bullshit and i don't have anything against them

[zombie-nunu-tears] [cass-cry] [sg-janna] [sg-soraka]

and then, i won't name shame but there are people that ACTUALLY deserve my wrath

[sg-lux-2]

LankPantsSep 20, 20173 votes

and then, i won't name shame but there are people that ACTUALLY deserve my wrath

You've given me your wrath before, it's a cool 30 Celsius at best TBH.

KennysDreamGirlSep 19, 20176 votes

id rather have enchanters than brand/zyra..atleast i would be able to be in lane

S92nBSep 19, 20175 votes

Ew Zyra bot. If you think Janna is bad, how is Zyra and Malzahar better. I want those 2 Champs to never return ever again.

LankPantsSep 20, 20175 votes

brand/Zyra

You mean cancerous midlaners being forced bot? No, I don't miss that at all. In fact let's never have them back, let's kill support Zyra and Brand and balance them around mid lane where they belong.

Edit: Oh boy, what have I done by mentioning Bard and similar damage heavy supports o_O

The problem is that you mentioned Zyra and Brand as supports. They shouldn't be.

GrReaper96Sep 20, 20171 votes

Well Zyra was pushed by Rito to be more support-oriented. I mean i love Zyra mid but she doesnt work so well there as she used to

LankPantsSep 20, 20172 votes

I mean i love Zyra mid but she doesnt work so well there as she used to

Yeh, because Riot's been systematically nerfing everything that makes Zyra mid work and forcing her to play bot.

Well Zyra was pushed by Rito to be more support-oriented.

My entire argument is that they should stop doing this.

Daedric EtwahlSep 20, 20174 votes

As a Sona OTP I can't wait for this shit meta to be over so that I can go back to playing my favorite champion in peace without having to deal with whiny trash posts like this one. Nobody fucking liked when supports like Malzahar and Zyra ruled the botlane, let's not pretend those were the glory days or anything.

I just want to play my favorite champion, I'd rather her be simply "alright" honestly.

SanKakUSep 19, 20173 votes

So why don't people ban supports more often?

Malicious MetalSep 19, 20174 votes

They do. Here in mid diamond elo you see at least 3 enchanter bans.

Linna ExcelSep 19, 20172 votes

Why do diamond players ban freelo that they could be abusing?

TormentulaSep 19, 20174 votes

#StillNotEnoughBans

BlakiepugSep 20, 20173 votes

You miss seeing Thresh? Thresh is not only one of the most contested picks in LCS, but he also is in about 70% of my games if I were to take a guess. It's the other tank supports who are actually tanks that have been left out of the meta for far too long now such as Tahm Kench, Nautilus, Braum, and Leona. Thresh doesn't need buffs, if he were to see any balance changes then they should honestly be nerfs. He just does everything and it's why he is such a strong support pick right now.

Daedric EtwahlSep 20, 20172 votes

Seriously, no matter what the meta is it always seems to feel like "Champions X, Y, Z and Thresh"

Not to say he's always top dog but it never feels like he's that bad ever.

LexLutheran87Sep 20, 20173 votes

Different strokes for different folks. Some of us like the healer buffer theme in games, keeping the party alive, being the sole reason the party didn't wipe on raid boss.

Personally I hated it when mages were the thing bot because if you slipped once you were stuck under tower the rest of laning phase, and even there you were never safe.

Should either be banished into the void because certain player bases dislike playing with or against them? No.

It is actually one of the great strengths of this game, its champions cover every style of play imaginable, and more all the time. It's tiring when people try to pidgeon hole everybody else into what they want them to play... Especially cuz "meta".

Ahri Body PillowSep 20, 20173 votes

I'm not exactly understanding what I'm supposed to gather from this image...it looks like one team stomped and one team got stomped just like every other game.

Totally behind the whole mages are bullshit train, trust me. But what does the picture mean?