Elo hell

Sl1p·Oct 22, 2017·7 votes·1,245 views

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So i'm in gold and decided to try climbing out of bronze on another account. This image was from games all in one day. I now truly understand "elo hell".

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SwiftKitten88Oct 22, 20178 votes

as a "silver" player. bronze is easy enough to climb out of.. ( i have done it 4 times) SILVER is what is a pain to climb out of

because in bronze u get 4 teammates who feed and 5 opponents who feed

so your always fed too

but in silver there is like only 1-2 players on each team who are bronze

and if those are up against a silver.. and they feed. not only will their silver usually not throw the lead.. you will be up against a silver as well, therefore u cannot match his lead and beat him. this makes it MUCH more of a pain to climb because the games are determined solely based on who got the actual "non-silver" player.

GripaAviaraOct 22, 20175 votes

Starting from bottom bronze this season, wouldn't call the climb easy, but yeah, is doable. Silver i've yet to figure an easy way other than playing some busted champs atm

Sl1pOct 22, 20171 votes

Thats interesting. I found it extremely easy to climb out of silver, not saying that bronze is hard to climb out of but I think they're both pretty easy. You just get those games every so often when someone feeds.

ProvengreilOct 22, 20173 votes

this one depends on position, really. A support main, for instance, has a horrible time in bronze because his teammates have no idea what to do with the openings he grants. A zed main can run away with the battle, becoming pretty much everyone's worst nightmare.

Meanwhile, a zed will have much more difficulty in silver(assuming the zed player is, himself, silver) because most silver games have at least a basic meta teamcomp that includes one or two easy to land hard CCs, a shield for someone special, and/or at least one exhaust. He'll be relegated to picking people off by surprise and hoping his team knows what to do with a strategic opening rather than a tactical one, a skill usually neglected until the highest bits of silver. That same support main will drop some wards, sweep a bush, and shield a carry and eke out a win if his mechanics are adequate.

SwiftKitten88Oct 22, 20172 votes

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this one depends on position, really. A support main, for instance, has a horrible time in bronze because his teammates have no idea what to do with the openings he grants. A zed main can run away with the battle, becoming pretty much everyone's worst nightmare.

Meanwhile, a zed will have much more difficulty in silver(assuming the zed player is, himself, silver) because most silver games have at least a basic meta teamcomp that includes one or two easy to land hard CCs, a shield for someone special, and/or at least one exhaust. He'll be relegated to picking people off by surprise and hoping his team knows what to do with a strategic opening rather than a tactical one, a skill usually neglected until the highest bits of silver. That same support main will drop some wards, sweep a bush, and shield a carry and eke out a win if his mechanics are adequate.

i clibed out of silver myself from bronze 2 with 16 straight wins on Morgana

so its not "support" that cant carry.. its the champion..

most of the time even bronze players are smart enough to kill theplayer that has been rooted for 3 seconds. seeing as they try to fight every 2 second anayways

ThryaleOct 22, 20175 votes

yeah, it's that last bit about silver that frustrates me the most. Why the ever loving fudge do we have to team fight every single second of the game??? Can we please rotate, take towers, take drag, and focus on actually winning the game instead of winning the team fight?

JESUSSAYSNOOct 22, 20171 votes

Recognizing the meta trends in each elo is useful. Now you just need to play around it.

If you have to perma teamfight, play teamfighers. It's how I got out. Spam shit like Sion, Swain, Amumu, and Maokai. Just any kinda full teamfight AoE mage or a full tank. Sion and Swain are my highest recommendations.

ThryaleOct 22, 20171 votes

I love swain, but feel like I can't do jack until I get my 3rd item, and by then the game is usually over. Is rushing RoA on swain a mistake?

JESUSSAYSNOOct 23, 20171 votes

In this metagame, RoA>Landrie's Torment is probably optimal. I haven't played him recently. I just know he's a teamfight monster, as well as a strong tankshredder, both of which are very useful in the pits.

Honestly, just try to hit the 2 item spike and then either splitpush super hard with tp up or teamfight.

I'd recomend tanks over Swain because you can be low econ and still have huge game impact. You can shove lane and up and leave toplane at 12 minutes and shit all over bot and mid while the enemy takes your top t1, which is a useless objective. Catch waves as you need to, but never stop fighting. Spike early and carry your idiot adc kicking and screaming to victory through peeling all the idiots who want on him off.

If you get bot t1 and drake off of a 12 minute bot roam, and your mid or jungle wards rift, you've secured a lead your opponents cant efficiently match. Sure, you lose top t1 with your time investment, but that genuinely doesn't matter.

SwiftKitten88Oct 22, 20171 votes

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yeah, it's that last bit about silver that frustrates me the most. Why the ever loving fudge do we have to team fight every single second of the game??? Can we please rotate, take towers, take drag, and focus on actually winning the game instead of winning the team fight?

LOL i know right... it would be funny if it wasn't ranked...

but honestly.. STOP FIGHTING AND LET ME CLEAR MY JUNGLE!!!

Sl1pOct 23, 20171 votes

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LOL i know right... it would be funny if it wasn't ranked...

but honestly.. STOP FIGHTING AND LET ME CLEAR MY JUNGLE!!!

Its funny because every game I've just decided to ignore my team and farm (when im jungling) my teammates will start getting tilted and take all my camps. Super annoying!

Velzard of KozOct 22, 20171 votes

as a "silver" player. bronze is easy enough to climb out of.. ( i have done it 4 times) SILVER is what is a pain to climb out of

Everyone can say this about every division. There are people who climed out of Bronze, out of Silver, out of anything. There are those who consider Platinum the real elo hell, I saw both Qutipie and Dyrus games in low Diamond complaining about questionable plays of their teammates in way of "What is this place", "Get me out of here" (some of these were meant for the game on its own, some for division).

It seems to me that people consider elo hell whatever division they are currently in.

JESUSSAYSNOOct 22, 20172 votes

I've noticed this too. S5-4 has bronze and bronze level players. Silver 3-2 is the default unranked MMR, so you have a ton of players who havent touched ranked in your games. Silver 1 starts having a bit of competitive integrity, and that's where I'd say the actual ranked ladder starts.

This season I used snowball mid strats to 1v9 in bronze, then in low silver I spammed darius to turn games into 6v4s that I could solo carry, then once I hit silver 2, I started spamming tanks and playing around botlane because it seemed like the ADs were okay enough to use peel to their advantage.

Silver is a crazy elo, it has about 40% of the playerbase if I remember right, there's such a wide gap between s5 play and g5 play that its really not even funny. Would say that players improve about 75% in that range.

Douglas FunnieOct 22, 20177 votes

Ban yasuo. Not because you will play against him. Ban him because he's playing along side you taking you down with him.

Sl1pOct 22, 20171 votes

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Ban yasuo. Not because you will play against him. Ban him because he's playing along side you taking you down with him.

I try to avoid this as I play a lot of twitch jungle and people do this to me even though I like to think i'm a pretty good twitch. I did however ban a couple peoples yasuos today out of pure frustration and it worked out in the end, they just dodged and i went on to get better teams. Didn't see this reply until just now. Even though it's toxic, thanks for your input!

ThryaleOct 22, 20174 votes

this is why you don't preselct the champ yer gonna play. especially if it's an off meta pick.

JESUSSAYSNOOct 22, 20172 votes

Ranked is for winning. If banning out an ally gives you a higher chance of winning, I'd say you're obligated to do so. Just leave Yasuo on permaban, and if you ban it out from a teammate and they start flaming, play retard and pretend you didnt see and were on auto piliot. Make the ban, and do everything you can to defuse the situation so he picks a legitimate champion instead of inting.

Douglas FunnieOct 22, 20171 votes

This is nowhere near toxic... I'm stating the truth. Yasuo players feed. Your original post proves my point.

Sl1pOct 23, 20171 votes

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This is nowhere near toxic... I'm stating the truth. Yasuo players feed. Your original post proves my point.

I understand clearly what your saying. My point is that I tend to play twitch jungle a lot (which is a legit pick. twitch has some of the best ganks in the game) and my teammates will often times ban twitch from me saying that i'll feed or they always lose when they get twitch junglers. Because of this I feel like a massive hypocrite banning away someones yasuo. Not to mention if its truly a yasuo main he'll probably just get super tilted when you ban yasuo and end up feeding on some other champion that is far out of his skill range. (ex. Fiora, zed, syndra, vayne, ect..)

Red WreckageOct 23, 20171 votes

this is a nice meme

PrimaquariusOct 22, 20172 votes

Ive been trapped in it for 2 seasons, welcome

Sl1pOct 22, 20172 votes

I'm sorry to hear that. This is my first season and I was stuck in bronze for a few monthes, luckily I climbed out and even got through silver.

Lil DustMopOct 22, 20172 votes

Yeah i got a lot of inting Yasuo's yesterday too

MercuryCannonsOct 22, 20172 votes

The delusion is real lmao.

nm1010Oct 22, 20171 votes

It still astounds me how people can unironically use the phrase 'elo hell'.

Sl1pOct 22, 20172 votes

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It still astounds me how people can unironically use the phrase 'elo hell'.

I disagree, as I said I am a gold player and I do still come across problems like this in gold-plat level games as it is still relatively low elo, however, I may come across a much more minor situation than this once or twice a month compared to bronze where it feels like everyday. The simple fact that I am able to carry games when my mmr gets high and i'm facing high golds-low plats on my main account, and my 2nd account is stuck in bronze with a 50% winrate should show by itself what I am talking about. I'm not referring to "elo hell" as just some rank you're hardstuck in as many creators have I've just talking about bronze-silver elo having players so bad that they can throw a game when playing alongside someone 2-3 entire ranks above them. I think for high silver-mid plat elo hell does exist, any rank further up the ladder is where the term "elo hell" begins to fade as they can easily 1v9 a bronze or silver game. Thanks for your input though.

nm1010Oct 22, 20171 votes

I've played in bronze and silver, if you can't carry in those elo's you probably just don't understand the game enough. It is kind of funny how a lower elo shows flaws in your play better than higher elo does.

SB ArneemanOct 23, 20171 votes

As long as you don't int on Yasuo yourself, the chance is bigger that the enemy team will get a feeding Yasuo.

ARAM ZooKeeperOct 23, 20171 votes

You forgot to include your autistic Master Yi Jungler's stat line, who may have gone 2-8, but hey he had a SICK double kill that he stole from the ADC.

Rins Thigh SocksOct 23, 20171 votes

The reason elo hell exists is because macro play is pretty weak all the way up until ~D3. It's very hard to consistently carry out on mechanics alone.

That's why pros have such an easy time getting to D4-D3, because if you introduce a little order and smart team play, it goes a long way in establishing an order that the other players can sync up to.

You add a little good macro to your gameplay and climbing becomes significantly easier.