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Kai'Sa AD Math [Does Not Compute]

Elite4Runner··1 votes·1,673 views

TLDR; I should have had enough AD to evolve Q, but it didn't evolve.

Also tooltip seemed inaccurate

Possibly inaccurate information on LoLWiki page (I understand this is not officially run by Riot), or the ability is not functioning the way it is supposed to.

According to the lolwiki page for Kai'Sa Kaisa , Icathian Rain requires the following bonus AD by level to evolve. Level 1 = 100 Level 2 = 98.48 Level 3 = 96.9 Level 4 = 95.26 Level 5 = 93.56 Level 6 = 91.8
Level 7 = 89.98 Level 8 = 88.1 Level 9 = 86.16 Level 10 = 60.07 Level 11 = 55.33 Level 12 = 50.54 Level 13 = 45.69 Level 14 = 40.77 Level 15 = 35.8 Level 16 = 30.77 Level 17 = 25.68 Level 18 = 20.53

So my logic was, if I prioritized Attack Speed and Ability Power, but still got a little bit of AD, .. I should be able to eventually have all 3 abilities evolved. And since Kai'Sa scales pretty well on Ability Power, it should still be a decent build for an ADC.

And to be honest, the game did go pretty well. It was a Normal match, and the MF I was playing against was doing 'who-knows-what' most of the time. Against an ADC who stayed in lane and farmed better, it might not have been as good. However, their Lux support and Nunu Jungle were much better than my Leona support and Vi Jungle, .. so It's hard to say.

The problem though (Sorry, I got side-tracked) is that when I had ended the match at level 16 with .. item 1055 item 3115 item 3009 item 3124 item 3285 item 1036 ... I had still not evolved my Q yet.

By my math, I should have had 43 bonus AD without any stacks on Guinsoo's, and at level 16 I should only need 30.77 bonus AD.

When I went back to watch the replay, I saw that the tooltip still said "100 Bonus Attack Damage" (Not 30.77) , and I did notice that the tooltip gave a "(current: 67)" total, .. which doesn't seem accurate either.

So idk where this extra AD is coming from in the tooltip, but I'm also not understanding why I hadn't evolved the Q yet.

We also didn't have any infernal dragons. We had a mountain and a cloud. I had Precision / Sorcery with Coup 'de Grace, Celerity, and Gathering Storm, but those should have all been giving me extra AP because of my build.

So am I missing something??

Is there a bug??

9 Comments

Brutalitops013 votes

The AD that counts towards Kai'Sa's evolves is only bonus I'm pretty sure, not base and none of the base increases. I know that runes you take don't count for it.

Elite4Runner1 votes

I already accounted for that. My build is mostly AP, so none of my runes gave me AD passed 9:45, when I bought my first Amp Tome.

So, that doesn't really help because I still had at least 30.77 bonus AD at level 16 from items alone.

Doran's Blade item 1055 +8 Guinsoo's Rageblade item 3124 +25 Longsword item 1036 +10 8 + 25 + 10 = 43

The stacking unique passive from Guinsoo's Rageblade should still contribute to my bonus AD for this. +2.5% Bonus Attack Damage per stack. 2.5 x 6 = 15 43 x 1.15 = 49.5 Bonus AD

Brutalitops011 votes

{quoted}

I already accounted for that. My build is mostly AP, so none of my runes gave me AD passed 9:45, when I bought my first Amp Tome.

So, that doesn't really help because I still had at least 30.77 bonus AD at level 16 from items alone.

Doran's Blade item 1055 +8 Guinsoo's Rageblade item 3124 +25 Longsword item 1036 +10 8 + 25 + 10 = 43

The stacking unique passive from Guinsoo's Rageblade should still contribute to my bonus AD for this. +2.5% Bonus Attack Damage per stack. 2.5 x 6 = 15 43 x 1.15 = 49.5 Bonus AD

Guinsoo's stacks don't count towards it because those are temporary stats, not permanent stats. If they counted, so would AD given to you by Janna shield.

Elite4Runner1 votes

Still doesn't account for the point that I had more than the stated AD necessary to evolve Q without stats.

The other person to comment says that the error is on the LoLWiki page, which seems obvious at this point.

It seems that the LoLWiki page is accounting for the AD growth as part of the 100 Bonus Attack Damage needed.

100 - 1.7 ( Level - 1 ) x ( 0.7025 + 0.0175) x ( Level - 1 ))

100 is the 100 bonus AD needed to accomplish the evolution.

1.7 ( Level - 1) is the AD growth by level.

I'm not sure what this last part is. It comes out to ( 0.72 ) x ( Level - 1 ), which suggests that it is some growth by level stat, but it seems arbitrary.

The tooltip is still misleading because the amount of AD it says I have at the time is inaccurate.

Rathar Dashing1 votes

Kai'Sa's evolutions are based on both stats gained from items, and from leveling up. The wiki is wrong, as it sometimes is. The numbers there don't even make sense.

Kai'Sa gains 1.7 AD per level, so at level one she would need 100 AD from items to evolve her Q. At level 11, she would have 17 AD from levels, so she would only need 83 AD to evolve her Q.

Also it's worth noting that temporary increases the bonus AD from Rageblade will not allow you to evolve your Q, nor will the bonus AP or AS allow you to evolve your W and E. The AS does, however, reduce the channel time of your E.

Elite4Runner1 votes

I find it odd that her AD growth would be a factor because for other purposes that is considered Base AD, .. but that would help to explain the difference I am seeing in the tooltip regarding my current total. Also, I noticed that this number did not change based on my Guinsoo's stacks, so once again, makes sense.

I guess I'm still confused as to why the wiki is so far off. Human error of course, but they are usually pretty on top of it.

Well, damn. I was hoping I was on to an OP new build.

I still think it is good though.

Rathar Dashing1 votes

They make mistakes every now and then. They have the duration of Zoe's E WAY off.

Elite4Runner1 votes

I am still not understanding the tooltip though.

I went back and looked when I was level 11. I had just completed Guinsoo's Rageblade and I still had Doran's Blade in my inventory, but I had already completed a Nashor's Tooth (Again, just to be clear that there is no way I am gaining bonus AD from any other sources such as runes). The tooltip said at that time, my current AD toward Living Weapon was 47.

Taking into account the 17 I am gaining from AD growth, I now have

17 from level 11 25 from Guinsoo's 8 from Doran's

That adds up to 50, not 47.

It is much closer than what I had before, but I really want to understand where this number is actually coming from.

Rathar Dashing1 votes

It might be a rounding issue. Try going into the practice tool and see the values as you level up without any items.

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