Like, let's be honest: If you're dying fast as a tank, you're not building right as a tank or you're playing a relatively tanky champ that isn't an actual tank while thinking they're a tank, then you're complaining when you're not as sturdy as real tanks are. Actual tanks are plenty sturdy as is. Vi/Gragas aren't the same thing as Maoki/Malphite/Amumu. Keep that in mind before making "adcs stole my elo" threads.
Handy Sandy 1 votesMalphite is an initiator not a tank btw, hes pretty much the same as Vi.
chipndip14 votesMalphite is an initiator not a tank btw, hes pretty much the same as Vi.
Malphite is what Riot calls a "Vanguard", an offensive tank. Primarily used to engage fights like divers, but they're more for fucking up the enemy's reaction to them while they stick around and cause a commotion.
Vi is a "Diver", a relatively beefy melee champ that excels in blasting through people and putting in high damage.
Main difference is that fighters can be off-tanks, but they aren't gonna be as effective at what tanks do as real tanks. They don't have much aoe, focus on putting a good rotation of pain on one target at a time, and have a decent mobility option or two on them. Tanks can be built with damage, but they aren't (shouldn't) be as heavy hitters as actual damage dealing champs. Tanks normally have better cc options and shields, but high damage isn't their strong suit.
I shouldn't have to explain this...but this is G&B...
DeathBurst1 votes+1 for accurate descriptions.
Elros Thranduil1 votesyou know what? A full ad jarvan shouldn't 1 shot malphite,nautilus,shen.
In ancient(!) times, tanks were counter for offtanks-bruisers and adc's - apc's were counter for tanks. Now pretty much everyone can 1 shot tanks there is really no need to play tank anymore. Anyone who gets %55 arpen + 40 and botrk will make you feel useless. 400 armor gone and 120 left. Really good job rito. Right now tanks are useless even Challanger players now play offtank with pure tank Champs. I started seeing pd-tf shen's on diamond1 elo.
Now here is my tip for you ,
Dont have an idea if you dont have a brain.
DeathBurst2 votesIn ancient(!) times, [...] apc's were counter for tanks.
Could you elaborate? Because by design, APC never had the sustained damaged necessary to kill a Tank. That was always the ADC prerogative, unless I'm highly mistaken...
EDIT: also, even with 120 Armor left, and let's say 2500 HP (low estimation), you have 5.5K eHP, so there is no way even a full AD Jarvan one-shoot you.
Elros Thranduil1 votesWell back then when I used to be a good player who plays at high elo and knows everything about the game, apcs could easily kill tanks. I mean 1 combo of LB would take %70 hp of a shen.
Not literally 1 shot but.... You know... No armor means massive damage- and it means huge lifesteal. So there is no way a tank can 1v1 with a bruiser. Ofcourse Tanks cant 1v1 with anyone its not their playstyle but not a tank deserve dying to a bruiser in few seconds. Really its just unbalanced. Now i see team comps. with no tank and they do pretty well. Nobody wants to see top shen in soloq they prefer Fiora,Darius,Yasuo instead. Because anyway a tank and a bruiser will die in a second so its better to take someone at least. btw sorry for my english hope you can understand what I meant.
DeathBurst2 votesI can understand, no problem, but I disagree. If LB uses her combo on a Tank and doesn't even kill him, she should use it on the ADC and kill it. Because once she did her combo on the Tank, she's a sitting duck and doesn't provide anything to her team. And the Tank still has 30% HP, which is plenty enough time to get his spell rotation out.
And well, depends on your definition of "a few seconds", since a whole team-fight in LoL is barely around 15 seconds, but a full Tank build Nautilus or Maokai still survives 3 or 4 times longer than a full AD Jarvan, so yeah, maybe he'll one shot your team if he manages his engage, but if he misses even one damage dealer, he will instantly explode.
Elros Thranduil1 votesYou are right but missing my point mate. I know game changes every single day which is "must" to develop new chances etc. But here is my point,
back then tanks were tank. Realyy tank. I mean tank you know, bulletproof . People were ignoring them and trying to catch squishies first at low elo at high elo doesn't matter. Because even if they hit it would waste time+ you could get slowed pretty well because of the old Randuin's. Now its like hit the person whoever close to you anyway you will deal massive damage because you have at least Black Clever. Tanks, They had no dmg but could survive even after teamfights. Now with all those fancy shits they can't tank well enaugh. Jarvan example was just an example.
Riot doesn't want to see fights can last 1minutes and game gets too boring, I definelity understand even I wouldn't want to see too many tanks and see them op as a tank player in pretty much every game. But what i see, there is no point to survive against AD champs. About Mages, its still okay. After some m resist they don't deal damage much and they also shouldn't spend cooldowns on you. But AD champs are generally broken. For example "Hexdrinker" is pain for a mage. Do mages have kind of? Yeah they have Zhonya but wait.... Zed rushes youmuu's so whats the point of buying armor then? You buy armor instead of mana regen or ap which you need to stop zed but he buys ad at the same time armor pen which makes your zhonya's deffensive stat useless. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN. Generally speaking. Pure ad bruisers are okay they deal massive damage but anyway they die easily. But put some BC and some Randuins maybe youmuu's etc. What you get? A champ with 4khp not a real tank i agree, but does his job and even better than a tank.
let me do the math,
put away all the team comps, picks etc. Just imagine a teamfight.
there is a pure tank with 4.5k hp and 350 armor. And then there is a juggernout or bruiser call what you want with 3khp 200 armor but 250 ad.
Tank survives for 5 seconds and deal total 1.5kdmg lets say, bruiser survives for 2-3 seconds but kills one person and sometimes even get double. ( ofcourse it wont happen in 2 seconds but just an example also tanks are not made for dealing damage their job is making a chaos, forcing enemies to break their positions, cc's etc , i know. but im talking about the surviability.)
chipndip11 votes[{quoted}](name=Elros Thranduil,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Emrk3z8t,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-08-12T02:06:25.723+0000)
you know what? A full ad jarvan shouldn't 1 shot malphite,nautilus,shen.
In ancient(!) times, tanks were counter for offtanks-bruisers and adc's - apc's were counter for tanks. Now pretty much everyone can 1 shot tanks there is really no need to play tank anymore. Anyone who gets %55 arpen + 40 and botrk will make you feel useless. 400 armor gone and 120 left. Really good job rito. Right now tanks are useless even Challanger players now play offtank with pure tank Champs. I started seeing pd-tf shen's on diamond1 elo.
Now here is my tip for you ,
Dont have an idea if you dont have a brain.
I doubt full ad Jarvan does that if Malphite has comparable defenses built, or if Naut has his shield up, or whatever else.
Also the fact that you think everyone 1-shots tanks, even considering the notion that LoL players think of 1-shots as "1 rotation of skills"...is pretty stupid. If you're getting 1-shot by someone comparable to you in level and gold, you built wrong. Plain and simple.
Also wtf is with the extreme aggro on that last part? The hell is your problem? Don't be mad some AD Jarvan got fed and ran your tank over. Fed champs are going to seem op no matter who it is in a game like this one. You don't start making broad balancing assumptions based on that.
Elros Thranduil1 votesNo I mean I play this game from the beginning of s2. I never seen tanks that much Squishy. Don't know what really happened but seriously. I played shen for 3 years now I go in, taunt 2-3 important champs then I die? Why because fiora did 1k true damage or gp barrels dealt 1k damage etc etc. This is what I mean. After some armor pen those champs 1 shot adcs easily but 2 shots a tank..
last part was quote from my favorite book for those people who never question anything but just fallow. Open season 2-3 high elo plays and you will get what I mean. a non fed malphite is running in 5 person and spamming laugh and dies in 5-6 seconds. Now its impossible.
Drunkplank1 votesWell, Shen SHOULD be a tank, but even with 4k hp and 200+ resistances he dies really fast.