So, What's the Problem With Letting People Bot in Customs Again?

The Yetii Rider··3 votes·948 views

A while back, a long while, Riot removed the XP and IP gained from custom matches against bots. This was because the large majority of players (substantial, huge, there was a graph and it was disgusting) were playing until the 7 minute mark (then the threshold for getting XP and IP) and then disconnecting and restarting.

Makes sense, you are a botter, writing a script, you want to raise an account to 30, this is a victimless crime with the fastest payoff. Seems legit.

Riot has removed that, and thus, removed the 'fastest' payoff for botters, but in exchange they have also devastated the 'victimless' aspect. Now botters go into pre-30 Rift games, TT games, and Dominion games (before it was forcibly removed in part because of all the bots).

Riot you can't fight this botting problem. Bots will always exist, there's no clean answer to the situation. So why not just make the crime victimless again? Let bots power level in customs where no one can suffer through their inane nonsense and lose matches and get tilted. Is the number of free level 30 accounts you remove by cutting down the time that botters spend raising one account really worth the stress and pain of your players?

A further point of issue: One of the reasons botting used to be such a problem was the free RP gifted at level 3, which players could then use to gift stuff to their mains. This has been answered in the form of 1) No gifting until both accounts are level 10, 2) You have to be friends with an account for 2 weeks and 3) No more free RP at level 3, period. So with all those steps taken to make botting less profitable to main accounts, I think there's less of an issue with letting them run rampant in Customs.

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EndlessSorcerer5 votes

So, What's the Problem With Letting People Bot in Customs Again?

The fact that they are botting at all.

GaleWinUnleashed4 votes

The only way to eliminate botting is to take away the motivation to do it. Until we come up with and implement something like that, we're stuck with them.

LostFr0st3 votes

The problem is that if you allow them to bot the account to 30 you are condoning the buying of botted accounts. Once the accounts change hands they are banned for account sharing anyways and the "buyer" has no idea what he/she was banned for.

In addition, the people who buy the account have not gone through the leveling process and have no experience, so we'll end up with more completely fresh players in our placement ranked matches and our normal lvl 30 games, ruining the experience for the average person.

The Yetii Rider1 votes

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The problem is that if you allow them to bot the account to 30 you are condoning the buying of botted accounts. Once the accounts change hands they are banned for account sharing anyways and the "buyer" has no idea what he/she was banned for.

In addition, the people who buy the account have not gone through the leveling process and have no experience, so we'll end up with more completely fresh players in our placement ranked matches and our normal lvl 30 games, ruining the experience for the average person.

Yeah but part of the market for bots is just people who want to play in other regions, smurf for fun or play ranked with their lower tier friends. I imagine the number of people willing to pay for a level 30 account when they truly have no experience has only gone up BECAUSE the pre-30 ladder is full of bots!

LostFr0st1 votes

It won't be full of bots for long. Riot confirmed that they'll be releasing a new anti-bot system that'll be able to detect and ban the bots within mere games of them being detected (instead of waiting for the ban wave).

Lovelle1 votes

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It won't be full of bots for long. Riot confirmed that they'll be releasing a new anti-bot system that'll be able to detect and ban the bots within mere games of them being detected (instead of waiting for the ban wave).

I'll believe that when I see it. It's been years now.

LostFr0st1 votes

Yeah, I know...
However, we actually got a red post with an eta this time, and a promise of an announcement when it's implemented.

Quepha3 votes

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this is a victimless crime

Except for everyone who uses the servers that have to host innumerable opened and closed custom games And every player that has to deal with toxic players in ranked who just bought or botted up a new level 30 account as soon as their last one was banned.

redniwediS2 votes

There is no such thing as a victimless crime, only a crime you can't see a victim for.

What exactly do you think those botters are going to do with their level 30 accounts?

The Yetii Rider2 votes

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There is no such thing as a victimless crime, only a crime you can't see a victim for.

What exactly do you think those botters are going to do with their level 30 accounts?

They're already there though. Leaving them in other queues doesn't prevent them from hitting level 30 either. My idea just removes the player frustration of playing with bots.

redniwediS3 votes

Riot doesn't want to support bots in any way.

The Yetii Rider2 votes

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Riot doesn't want to support bots in any way.

Just force them on the players then.

redniwediS2 votes

Riot is slowly trying to force them out of the game. They are not forcing them on the players.

The Yetii Rider2 votes

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Riot is slowly trying to force them out of the game. They are not forcing them on the players.

By keeping them restricted to player queues, bots can only gain levels in games with other players.

Quepha2 votes

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By keeping them restricted to player queues, bots can only gain levels in games with other players.

and they quickly get found out and reported.

Vistha Kai2 votes

And then after many months of nothing being done about them, they get finally banned.

Rebonack1 votes

There's a really easy solution, actually.

Ditch the whole shitty leveling system.

That, or let people legit buy their account up to level 30 and undercut the botters.

Either would put them out of business.

Flaherty2 votes

But then that leads to the problem of super inexperienced players going into ranked or normals with people who do have experience and will most likely either ruin their team's game experience by being bad or getting flamed relentlessly because they play like brand new players.

BradoxTTV1 votes

nah, you gate ranked behind X amount of wins, problem solved because you cant really bot norms and expect to win so if you need like 30 wins to play ranked that gives us decently experienced players for low tiers of ranked and gets rid of botting

Rebonack1 votes

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But then that leads to the problem of super inexperienced players going into ranked or normals with people who do have experience and will most likely either ruin their team's game experience by being bad or getting flamed relentlessly because they play like brand new players.

That's what MMR is for.

Flaherty1 votes

What MMR does a person with no normal games start with?

Minarde1 votes

Same MMR someone with no ranked games has.

Flaherty1 votes

WHICH IS WHAT??

Minarde1 votes

1200, I think? It's around high-Bronze, low Silver.

ThePartyLeader1 votes

Or riot could just sell level 30 accounts with like 2000rp and base runes unlocked for like 35$

Rebonack1 votes

Drops them in the bottom of the barrel with all the other people who have less than 20 games?

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