Please add a short cooldown between Akali's dashes

DEmperor95·Dec 21, 2014·11 votes·1,097 views

Akali has 3 dashes with an 800 range. This means that she is able to chase people forever, except when they get out of 800 range. However, that's just impossible considering the cooldown between her dashes, which is like half a second. This makes her extremely frustrating to play against. No flashes, dashes, peeling or anything else can stop her from sticking on you.

Please add a meaningful cooldown between her dashes. My suggestion is something in the range of 4 seconds for example, and it scales with CDR. This will actually make sense considering the fact that she has to wait like 3-4 seconds between her ability rotations, so why not let her wait to dash in again for them too, and not just use them for damage and guaranteed second full combo after her abilities come off cooldown?

37 Comments

Leti the YetiDec 21, 20143 votes

Everyone seems to have problems with infidashes or dashes on low CD unless its Akali ;l

DEmperor95Dec 21, 20142 votes

Yeah infinite dashes with 800 range on an assassin are supposed to have some cooldown.

FiraBurnDec 21, 20141 votes

It's not infinite. ... she only has 3 which she has to charge up why should she wait to use all 3? Do vel, koz have a cd between his w. Do teemo have cd between his charge of shroom? No so why should she.

DEmperor95Dec 21, 20143 votes

Because she's an assassin, and this is her gapcloser. The gapcloser that exceeds the range of all other assassin gapclosers. The gapcloser that has a much shorter cooldown than all other assassin gapclosers. The gapcloser that has a very short recharge time, and resets on kill or assists. The gapcloser that can be cast 3 times without any form of waiting between the dashes to allow for an opportunity for escape. And the gapcloser that is point-and-click while doing high damage and applying spellvamp to the target. Do you think a 4 second window between dashes will even be a significant change? It's just to promote a bit of counterplay and reduce her overbearing stickiness a bit.

FiraBurnDec 23, 20141 votes

She Already have counterplay and a lot of people never have problem with her. Adding cd between charges she have to wait for after hitting 6 will just over nerf her.

Scootypuff91Dec 23, 20144 votes

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She Already have counterplay and a lot of people never have problem with her. Adding cd between charges she have to wait for after hitting 6 will just over nerf her.

To be fair, the reason people don't have issues with Akali is because Riot nerfs her ass every time she starts seeing any considerable amount of play. When Akali is good, she's disgustingly overpowered in solo queue primarily because of her dash. If she gets ahead of you at all by even an ounce, she just steamrolls all over everyone on the map while being unable to escape.

Akali needs changes so she actually can have a more easily balanced kit instead of floating between garbage and overpowered. She's been on an endless cycle of being nerfed out of existence because she's oppressive in solo queue to being buffed again because she's never used to being nerfed again and over and over and over. There's no middleground with her kit given the lack of outplay potential her kit provides.

Knight SoIaire Dec 23, 20141 votes

To be fair, the reason people don't have issues with Akali is because Riot nerfs her ass every time she starts seeing any considerable amount of play.

and whats the other option for a champion who lives thanks to a brute force allowing him to straight out eat everything you throw at him ? answer is a rework but riot has other things to do atm

If she gets ahead of you at all by even an ounce

dude you could just say that she gets 6 ... that powerspike is insane and barely any mage can put up with it (its a trade off ... either they have the damage but dont have cc or they have cc but cant kill her fast enough)

There's no middleground with her kit given the lack of outplay potential her kit provides.

this deserves an upvote cause you nailed it

low elo will always lose to akali and realy nobody bats an eye because diferent elos use diferent champion pools

but lately she starts to go out of her usual place and gets picked at higher spots with succes .. there was even an LCS game and its a big deal i think that riot should aim at her again, since her brute force starts compensating for ppl'l lack of brain (gets caught in 3v1 and kills everybody by mashing buttons) the same thing starts aplying to katarina

Knight SoIaire Dec 21, 20142 votes

because those 3 dashes actualy do more than any other dashes (damage, distance covered, low cd and cost you name it her dashes are good at it )

also vel koz has a cd beetwen his w's (great arguments man)

It's not infinite. ... she only has 3 which she has to charge up why should she wait to use all 3

it is infinite gapclosing ... i never saw an akali just walking towards the enemy she always dashes at least 2 times

FiraBurnDec 23, 20141 votes

Well guess that's why vel'koz is bad. Do you want akali to join him to if they was to add cd between charges?

Knight SoIaire Dec 23, 20142 votes

vel koz is a destroyer with his base damage
ppl dont play him because ppl with infinidashes like akali dominate the game so in case he doesnt do very good in lane enemy can just keep him down as he is immobile yet if you get him fed burning 3 ppl with one combo is easy

i get that an assasin should close the gap but akali can effectively jump acros the enntire lane (ult a minion ult a minion ult a champ ) to get anyone she wants (while ppl complain about yasuo with like a quarter of her range)

FiraBurnDec 23, 20142 votes

If she do that she burn must her charges while Yasuo can do the same with no cost that's why people complain about his dashes to run up a lane to catch his targets.

Knight SoIaire Dec 23, 20141 votes

If she do that she burn must her charges

or kills you because you know ... akali

Yasuo can do the same with no cost that's why people complain about his dashes to run up a lane to catch his targets.

his dashes dont deal damage nor they heal him nor they have such a long range meaning that he can easily wreck himself by pressing a key too fast or too soon

also yasuo will get you only if you are close to the last minion while akali will dash to the last minion and she still can close a bullcrapton of a gap

asktiksDec 25, 20141 votes

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or kills you because you know ... akali

his dashes dont deal damage nor they heal him nor they have such a long range meaning that he can easily wreck himself by pressing a key too fast or too soon

also yasuo will get you only if you are close to the last minion while akali will dash to the last minion and she still can close a bullcrapton of a gap

akalis dashes also don't do damage, the dmg comes from dashint into a MARKED opponent and the AA with sheen proc that comes after it , thing is...I can do EXACTLY the same thing with riven and a sheen+her passive proc minus the dash, but I can exhaust / flash to gapclose and I have TWO stuns to keep you there

sorry but again , this is a case of L2P against akali

Knight SoIaire Dec 25, 20141 votes

oih they do damage its not he biggest damage ever but once you add 2 or 3 dashes it turns out to be a top class nuke

asktiksDec 26, 20141 votes

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oih they do damage its not he biggest damage ever but once you add 2 or 3 dashes it turns out to be a top class nuke

lol its a pathetic dmg component , not to mention that you so much as fart in her general direction and she dies, again , seems a case of l2p more than akali being OP

ive played akali since before ranked or draft even existed, and she has NEVER been changed because she is very easily countered zed is far more powerful than akali , and hes pretty much got the same "Gap closing power" that you all seem to complain so much about akali, the only difference is he can actually gtfo after killing you AND his ultimate is pretty much a guaranteed kill without ever getting hit himself, something that akali cant do, you jump in, maybe get one kill and die literally a second after because EVERYONE can burst you down quick

Knight SoIaire Dec 26, 20141 votes

its a pathetic dmg component , not to mention that you so much as fart in her general direction and she dies, again , seems a case of l2p more than akali being OP

the only l2p that you can do vs akali is to get entire team on her ass when she is alone otherwise you risk losing ppl

ive played akali since before ranked or draft even existed, and she has NEVER been changed because she is very easily countered

in lcs (explained at the end of the post)

zed is far more powerful than akali , and hes pretty much got the same "Gap closing power" that you all seem to complain so much about akali

zed dashes at you and you combo your dash (im preety sure you have one in those times) with your flash and cc if you have some ... you got away because zed is the one who has to blow up his gapcloser first

on the other hand you have akali who can always close bigger gap than you can create while not even stopping to chunk your hp down

when it comes to gapclosing akali wins vs zzed because her gapclosing is pure sticking power while you can actualy get away from zed

maybe get one kill and die literally a second after because EVERYONE can burst you down quick

assuming tyhey have a pink ward and that you dont have zhonyas or you dont have flash or arent fed anough to heal yourself faster than they can hurt you after your zhonyas or her team isnt helping her or she didnt take the guy with burst out of your team zed gets in and gets out with one life max

akali doesnt get out so she has realy insane power when she goes in and sustain on top of that

her only counterplay is teamplay but its a vague counterplay when we add her team to the mix (with that power i never saw an akali who would think about what she does so they alway dive before their team can even help them but with some proper thinking i see no way of stopping her)

TerffDec 24, 20141 votes

3 dashes is enough to kill anyone.

FiraBurnDec 24, 20141 votes

Sandra can kill someone just qer. Nid can q than transform and face roll keyboard to kill someone. Zed press r and pop someone of the map. Why is her having 3 dashes to kill somone is bad?

TerffDec 24, 20141 votes

Yes but kassadin, who can blink infinite time has a meaningful cooldown, and still is fairly balanced, I don't think it would kill akali, I think it would make her have to think before killing someone.

FiraBurnDec 25, 20141 votes

Kass blinks are like flash he need some meaningful cd if he didn't he can endlessly escape everything or chase someone down forever. Akali is different she have to have target for her to dash to and she can't dash on friendly units for escape her best method to get over walls is IF there are jungle camps to dash to and using her w or trinket to get vision. You cannot compare the two.

Knight SoIaire Dec 26, 20141 votes

Kass blinks are like flash he need some meaningful cd if he didn't he can endlessly escape everything or chase someone down forever.

yeah and thats waht we want akali to be unable to do (you can combo whatever you have with flash and she will still get your ass)

Akali is different she have to have target for her to dash to and she can't dash on friendly units for escape her best method to get over walls is IF there are jungle camps to dash to and using her w or trinket to get vision. You cannot compare the two.

kassa is infinite mobiility with a proper cooldown and mama gated

akali has infinite gapclosing not gated by anything that would realy gate it

RockmanDec 23, 20142 votes

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FiraBurnDec 23, 20141 votes

Yea he does I don't know why I say her charge system is balance and akali is a champ with a lot of counterplays. Learn to play against her instead of begging riot to nerf things that beats you. I mean if she was bad as you say you will think riot nerf her by now?

DEmperor95Dec 23, 20141 votes

There is a difference between wanting a nerf just for losing to the champion, and a deserved small nerf. Akali is well-known to be a toxic champion and is almost permabanned in NA, and there is a reason. In case you don't know, the reason is that she can snowball like crazy off of 1 kill even if she was 0/10, due to her kit that prevents counterplay. I always beat her in lane by the way, but she just somehow gets fed every single time. It's like delaying a bomb's explosion that will eventually explode no matter what you do, with 1 slight misplay by anyone in your team. So unfair. My suggestion is to add a bit of window to react to her chasing you no matter how far you tried to escape.

But I get your point, Akali is shut down by coordinated teams, and shutting her down early as hard as possible. That's probably why she doesn't see pro play... lol jk go check Samsung White vs Samsung Blue Worlds Semi-Final Game 1, and see how in a "coordinated Worlds game" Akali can snowball out of control if her team gives her just one kill.

FiraBurnDec 24, 20141 votes

If she well known to be toxic why have riot not do anything about it? riot knows she balance and have not even thought about needing her a kali take skills to use. You have get pass that really bad lane phase than you also have to know when to go in or you just get cc to death.

Samsung blue didn't have good champ to face akali that's why she was outta control that game.

Kats PajamasDec 24, 20142 votes

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Doesn't it have an internal CD early on that gets shorter with ranks? Or am I just insane?

yeah its 2 / 1.5 / 1

so what you want is that to get longer.

so are you the smartest person in this thread, or did I manage to read this far just to be the only person to see this?

AccountaBilabudyDec 26, 20142 votes

akali is frequently banned at higher elo's. watch a stream.

asktiksDec 23, 20141 votes

low elo player detected

there is a reason high elo players DONT EVEN BOTHER WASTING A BAN SLOT ON HER

she is soooo easy to counter its ridiculous

let me guess you play ADCs and mages and complain that an assassin can chase you and 100 0 u right?

shes fine , l2p

she has the durability of wet tp if you so much as fart in her direction , srsly just look at her base health and armor if she doesn't blow you up with 2 dashes and a mark she is dead weight literally since she provides zero to teamfights

DEmperor95Dec 23, 20141 votes

Why do people assume that when someone suggests some nerf, it's because the player is bad and loses against that champion. I always beat Akali in lane, ward side lanes, and I know how to deal with her in late-game with my team. It's just that she always gets fed so hard if she accidentally manages 1 kill. My suggestion is to add a bit of window of reaction reduce her feast case, so she doesn't get kills for fun in mid game just because she has 1 kill from a gank or something. Maybe give her a compensation to hep her famine case (if she has one)?

In teamfights, you're probably right. But did you take into account that Akali has a team too? A team that will initiate on mine, chain CC, protect Akali, reduce the health of everyone so they become easy cleanup, lock down targets for her to destroy, etc. Yes, her team can do that to mine because when Akali starts snowballing (even when she was behind), she usually snowballs her team with her.

asktiksDec 24, 20141 votes

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In teamfights, you're probably right. But did you take into account that Akali has a team too? A team that will initiate on mine, chain CC, protect Akali, reduce the health of everyone so they become easy cleanup, lock down targets for her to destroy, etc. Yes, her team can do that to mine because when Akali starts snowballing (even when she was behind), she usually snowballs her team with her.

in my 80+ games as akali since ive had her ( used to main her before even urgot even existed) I have NEVER seen a support shield, buff, heal , or invul me as akali ....ever

trust me if your support is using his cooldowns to protect the squishiest character in the league, your team deserves the loss also , you just described EXACTLY what every assassin in the game is capable and should be doing

you say that she can jump into the teamfight and " mop up" with her 3 dash charges abd that's op......

Katarina would like to have a word with you.....endless resets and aoe ultimate > 3 dashes that only work on single targets

btw , swain lols at akali after midgame , try it build him up with some health and a visage wait till akali jumps on you , root her , crow form , lolz

Knight SoIaire Dec 26, 20142 votes

you just described EXACTLY what every assassin in the game is capable and should be doing

actualy its not what assasins should be doing following the base descriiption of their role assasins should wait for a moment where enemy carry is unguarded and assasinate him

akali goes in with brute force to wreck everyone or die trying ... if her team helps her the second one rarely happens

you say that she can jump into the teamfight and " mop up" with her 3 dash charges abd that's op......

3 dashes ? usualy its like 5

Katarina would like to have a word with you.....endless resets and aoe ultimate > 3 dashes that only work on single targets

stop katas ult and all she can do is waiting for resets even if she does it mid teamfight she is still 100% reliant on her team to give her the opportunity

all that akali needs is for her team to make ruckus so she wont get 5ppl on her ass ... then she can decimate carries

btw , swain lols at akali after midgame , try it build him up with some health and a visage

ignite morellomicon ? also who is fed ? if at 6 lvl akali roams and gets a kill swain wont stand a chance since he wont have those items yet

at full builds yes swain can counterbuild her hard and wreck her at actual game he is like any other mage to her (some threat until she snowballs)

Knight SoIaire Dec 26, 20141 votes

there is a reason high elo players DONT EVEN BOTHER WASTING A BAN SLOT ON HER

unfortunately not any more

akali starts getting banned and picked more often everywhere (hence there is more threads like this one lately)

also right before we had ann akali uprising we had kata uprising which was quickly rekt by rito

assasins will always be pupular because our damage dealers are always squishy so once riot nerfs an assasin ppl dont go for mages but take another assasin out of the pool and i think that this is the main reason akali was picked once in lcs ... since its better to remove enemy carry that trading with him

let me guess you play ADCs and mages and complain that an assassin can chase you and 100 0 u right?'

i personaly do play all the roles (rarely support) but mostly adc's (easy to get and quite simple) guess what i managed to solo guys like zed rengar or katarina since they rely on one combo and you can simply wreck them by juking it and creating a gap

but what can anyone do vs an akali she will heal on tankier guys and straight out delete any squish no matter how fast he runs
ofc there is teamplay to counter her but it works only when she fails ... if she wont charge ahead of her team without a zhonya you are forced to pick beetwen stopping her or stopping her team because with their assist she will wreck your carries

thats why i actualy support this nerf until she gets reworked (her kit sucks ... she is only good for one thing which is charging and winning by brute force ... zero flexibility zero real counterplay there is zero interaction with her besides baiting her on a pinkward and blowing up)

asktiksDec 23, 20141 votes

also...

your having trouble with akali low elo?

lee sin that is all, play him and laugh at akalis everywhere

AccountaBilabudyDec 26, 20141 votes

good luck escaping when my 2nd item is item 3116

JustMyBassCannonDec 26, 20141 votes

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Doesn't it have an internal CD early on that gets shorter with ranks? Or am I just insane?

yeah its 2 / 1.5 / 1

so what you want is that to get longer.

Just so people notice this thing that got buried under people "discussing" Akali's balance.

Akali has an internal cooldown on her R, and it's only 1 second after she's level 16 (unless she hits >30% CDR during level 11-15), so I would call it fair for the most part. The fact that her burst rotation is balanced around being able to repeatedly use her ultimate is also something to note.

asktiksDec 28, 20141 votes

tell you what op show me those magic games where you go 30/2/14 with akali and ill shut up

I do play her, I have played her since ranked gameplay didn't even exist and akali has always been able to be countered you are one of these crusaders against a champ and you just use the same rebuttals for every argument , akali is op is the general gist of it

learn 2 play sorry, I don't have problems against akalis , but then again I actually know her limitations because , gasp, I actually played the champ a LOT

also , lol at akali roaming at six and getting one kill, I promise you that if the swain top (he should be top) is doing his job of last hitting, not pushing and leveling he WILL outlevel akali and something as simple as MR is enough to stop her early game

anyways , whatever if you wanna keep complaining about a champ that they will never touch, reason they don't touch old champs is they are already balanced , she has NEVER had an adjustment on a patch again like in ...ages... she ...is ...balanced deal with it..

why aren't you complaining about lee sin that can pretty much do the same thing as her, AND dash to allied to escape or gank, has built in hextech , and can instagib half the team without having to "wait for charges"

btw pretty sure zed gets a lot more bans than akali , thers a reason for that

DEmperor95Dec 28, 20141 votes

Yes, I agree with you. She probably is balanced, but still her kit is the most toxic for an assassin, and needs a rework. That's why I'm not whining nerf her etc, and I'm only suggesting a tiny tweak that will make her less unstoppable when ahead, because you can't deny that there is little counterplay to a fed Akali, when compared to other assassins in the game. This is simply because her dash is a tool that other assassins don't have, which allows her to brute force her way to her targets so easily, rather than trying to be opportunistic.

Zed has his problems, I know, but I'm not talking about Zed here. I'm talking about Akali, which is almost permabanned in NA in high elo as well in case you don't know. Actually, she is much more banned than Zed: (Zed about 30%, Akali 70%) http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=na&type=bans&range=weekly&map=sr&queue=1x1&league=ranked