If Jarvan gets nerfed, then The Fall of League of Legends has started

Altricad··3 votes·960 views

I think many people brought it up that JarvanIV was never an issue in the previous seasons plenty of times. One of the common, and if I might say, well thought out reason is that if "A" was no longer a problem due to "B" being OP, and now "B" is weak that doesn't mean "A" is balanced.

Yes, and you're perfectly right when you say that Jarvan is "no longer" balanced. But that doesn't mean we should get him nerfed

Let's look at it this way, right now many junglers are STRUGGLING in the new jungle. Exp gain is pathetic, your first clears feel like you're playing a jump-scare horror game if your opponent jungler is someone that is a high threat early game ( looking at you LeeSin )

So, yes behind the spotlight of JarvanIV Vi LeeSin , there are junglers that were VERY strong in the previous season that are out-paced in the new jg and have a great amount of difficulty in their first clear.

Nerfing JarvanIV isn't gonna make Evelynn have an easy first clear, neither is it gonna give Amumu more exp to hit that level 6 soon.

In fact, nerfing JarvanIV means that you're picks are either limited to Vi or LeeSin . And if someone bans the other and picks one of them, well gg you're f*ked.

I'd rather buff the weaker junglers than nerf the stronger ones. If Maokai was buffed to allow an easy first clear then what reason would be there to not pick Maokai more for his teamfight potential then say, someone like LeeSin who ( apparently) falls off late?

I'll leave it to the community

Tldr; We can all close our eyes and nerf the top 3 and acknoledge the jungle isn't a problem or we can face it head on and bring the other junglers to the J4-Lee-Vi level, bringing jungle diversity to a reasonable level

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Troy2426214 votes

J4 has been and currently is very good, but he has never even been the replacement pick for Lee Sin. That'd usually be Vi, or history had it, Elise.

He just isn't a hugely problematic champion, and his concept is clearly good. This is where the difference lies. His concept is not the problem.

Lee and Vi need to be taken off of their f*cking thrones with a net nerf rework already. I'm tired of no-counterplay generalists outclassing everything and limiting the jungle pool.

So my vote isn't on here. My vote is, rework the top two that overall nerfs them, then if necessary tweak J4, but tread cautiously because he isn't a detriment to balance. Now that being said, I voted "Buff the weaker ones," because Riot is neglecting a lot of junglers that do NEED buffs.

Altricad3 votes

Indeed, Lee and Vi have been bigger offenders since forever, but elise was brutally hit with the nerf bat. You gotta admit tho, weaker junglers do need to be brought up to speed

Troy2426212 votes

I updated it because I do agree with that. J4, when he kills me or ganks should I be supporting, never makes me think "What a load of bullshit," to myself.

Elise WAS overnerfed, and I think most people would agree to that. Weaker junglers definitely do need attention as well, didn't mean to downplay that.

I just wanted to emphasize that the top two have been and still are highly problematic, whereas J4 has just situationally surfaced as strong but not oppressive "I outclass everything by specializing at everything," powerful. Which only happens because they nerf everything except the king and queen of the jungle -_-.

Nameless Voice1 votes

Agreed.

Lee Sin needs to be completely reworked so that he is no longer the king of the jungle, and personally I'd say he should be nerfed hard until his rework.

I don't think Jarvan is really a problem. Maybe he's a tiny bit too powerful, but in reality it's because the jungle is so harsh and unforgiving now. Old champions who used to be able to jungle can barely clear a few camps, and if they get invaded or countered early they can't even afford to buy their upgraded smite item to keep them in the game.

Troy2426211 votes

Honestly J4 being strong again is a result of circumstance. If the jungle kings got nerfed we wouldn't need Legendary difficulty jungle mobs. We'v seen J4 raise and fall before, and he never peaked near the two top picks right now. Then it would be about bringing some other junglers up to speed.

Dominick Destine1 votes

Yes, and you're perfectly right when you say that Jarvan is "no longer" balanced. But that doesn't mean we should get him nerfed

Do you even logic? by your own admission Jarvan is blatantly overpowered. Yes, that means he should be nerfed.

SulphoR1 votes

all three should be brought down. bringing every jungler up to their level would just make role power creep and junglers would be obnoxious as hell like early s2 again. its easier to hit the top outliers than buff everything up to the same level.

although i agree some champions needs love - se'ni, eve, rengo, naut, etc

Altricad1 votes

I do agree with you to some extent actually, but the thing is, right now the forums are filled with "Nerf J4, Nerf Lee", it's like except for the mains, most people don't give a sh*t if junglers are struggling with their favorite champion

Rest in peace bug Khazix

SmokingPuffin1 votes

It strikes me as obvious that both nerfs to the best junglers and buffs for the worst are needed.

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