"Ashe, stop using your ult to initiate" / =_=

darkdill·Mar 12, 2015·1 votes·941 views

I've been hearing this one a lot recently while playing as Ashe, and it is getting me thinking that Ashe's kit simply is not valid anymore, EVEN her ultimate. When several different teammates in different games are telling you not to use the most powerful initating ultimate in the game to initiate, regardless of your skill level, something is horribly wrong.

Can we conclude that Ashe, while usable in some comps and while having a decent winrate, simply isn't LoL-quality anymore? Her Q is weak and boring, her passive is too situational, her E passive doesn't even make sense for her design, and too much of her power budget is stored in her ultimate.

14 Comments

IcyPepperMar 12, 20152 votes

Some champions depend on the competence of your team.

Bronze? Ashe isnt' great. People don't understand her ult is an initiation tool like Sejuani's ult.

Gold/Plat? Ashe throws her ult and everyone knows shit's about to go down.

I mean, today I went into team builder with some friends and gave jungle Morgana a shot because my friends are competent. Anything works with teamwork! (okay, jungle Soraka is probably not viable anymore...)

ZmuecatMar 12, 20152 votes

All this, and if your team was behind it probably would have better served as a counter initiation or a disengage.

Also: Jungle Soraka is best Soraka. Bananas for ALL THE THINGS.

IcyPepperMar 12, 20151 votes

Don't tempt me!

ZmuecatMar 12, 20152 votes

You've been tempted, dared, double dared, and triple dogged dared.

I escalate things.

IcyPepperMar 12, 20151 votes

Man, I'm going to feed more than bananas...

ZmuecatMar 12, 20152 votes

Obviously, you build item 3726 and use an attack speed build.

This allows you to force feed monsters, and then when you go to help your team, you fly in there with your ambulance passive, skip over your ally because your heal won't help you feed the enemy bananas, and stuff the now spicy (thank you for your cooperation monsters, great spices) bananas down the enemies throat.

...

I'm hungry.

IcyPepperMar 12, 20151 votes

...brb trying this

item 3726 item 3100 item 3115 item 3153 item 3089 item 3006

IcyPepperMar 12, 20151 votes

Just tried it and loved it.

No leash, but I still had fun :D

bad arcade kittyMar 12, 20151 votes

52% winrate in soloq or so

darkdillMar 12, 20151 votes

Irrelevant to the discussion.

bad arcade kittyMar 12, 20153 votes

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Irrelevant to the discussion.

how so? champs with a poor or weak kit (for soloq) are in 30-40% winrate range

HOLDMADICCCCMar 12, 20151 votes

Ashe is awesome. Stop talking about her. We do not want her kit to be "reworked" like Veigars. Because if they do, Frost arrows will no longer be an auto-cast and it will be something like Sivir's bouncing blades which would suck. They'll get rid of her E and change it with something else. And they'll somehow turn Volley into some clunky garbage with a cast time. Leave it as is

-Plat Ashe main

QuephaMar 12, 20151 votes

every part of your post is wrong, the players on your team being morons (or you having no idea how to initiate) has no bearing on whether or not ashe is weak.