Anyone else still think Lucian ( or any adc ) building full armor pen is straight bullsht..?

adidas·Sep 3, 2016·5 votes·691 views

It really fuckin sucks when you main adc and you get the other end of the stick.

I now realize why people always get mad at adcs for doing the damage they do

Enemy lucian in roughly 2-3 seconds

''Fervor 274''

Im like what the fuck? lmao

And on top of that, black cleaver + ghostblade makes my randuins + ninja tabi + dead mans = non existent

idk man it really doesnt fuckin feel right. This armor pen shit needs to stop because you dont fall off if you build properly

For example

was lucians build and that shit... tore... through anyone

11 Comments

MarshbouySep 3, 20162 votes

That build, while having a lot of armor pen and damage, also has little to no survivability outside of the phantom dancer. If he get's hit by a single ability from a poke mage he will be half healthed, and have to stay half health until he backs (unless he has ocean drakes or healing teammates)

adidasSep 3, 20161 votes

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That build, while having a lot of armor pen and damage, also has little to no survivability outside of the phantom dancer. If he get's hit by a single ability from a poke mage he will be half healthed, and have to stay half health until he backs (unless he has ocean drakes or healing teammates)

Supports are a thing Soraka

MarshbouySep 3, 20162 votes

That requires a team comp and we all know how good solo players are at making those. TBH she is usually banned too. If the lucian does have a soraka then kill the soraka first or build item 3123

adidasSep 3, 20161 votes

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That requires a team comp and we all know how good solo players are at making those. TBH she is usually banned too. If the lucian does have a soraka then kill the soraka first or build

They had a soraka and the point isnt of ''sustain'' because if you played a single ranked game lately you'd know bot lane is all about sustain supports right now.

We're talking about having 250-300 armor but lucian taking it down to 100

MarshbouySep 3, 20161 votes

because if you played a single ranked game lately you'd know bot lane is all about sustain supports right now

im in low silver so the people i face pick garbage carry supports almost every game. I wouldn't know.

We're talking about having 250-300 armor but lucian taking it down to 100

ok. We are also talking about a 0 sustain lucian squishy lucian that is entirely dependent on his team to heal him.

adidasSep 3, 20161 votes

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im in low silver so the people i face pick garbage carry supports almost every game. I wouldn't know.

ok. We are also talking about a 0 sustain lucian squishy lucian that is entirely dependent on his team to heal him.

Well im in P2 where lucians dont walk up to ''ap casters'' for them to get hit by :x...

TormentulaSep 3, 20161 votes

Is last whisper even needed as a last item?

I'd imagine a item 3139 or item 3072 would be thrown on the build inorder to stay in fights.

XxxLumberJackxxXSep 3, 20161 votes

If your against Lucian mf or other flat pen abusers you can go full up and laugh it off. Or get real armor item like fh

adidasSep 3, 20162 votes

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If your against Lucian mf or other flat pen abusers you can go full up and laugh it off. Or get real armor item like fh

full up? and frozen heart passive does nothing considering lucians a caster

AvienalSep 3, 20161 votes

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It really fuckin sucks when you main adc and you get the other end of the stick.

I now realize why people always get mad at adcs for doing the damage they do

Enemy lucian in roughly 2-3 seconds

''Fervor 274''

Im like what the fuck? lmao

And on top of that, black cleaver + ghostblade makes my randuins + ninja tabi + dead mans = non existent

idk man it really doesnt fuckin feel right. This armor pen shit needs to stop because you dont fall off if you build properly

For example

was lucians build and that shit... tore... through anyone

To be precise, its mainly because alot of people just want to play quick game finish match styles so this whole fudge of playing Marksmen champions who don't really need to build critical hit and can instead rely on things to make 'each' shot do more damage, especially with kits to be able to unload multiple shots in short periods of time, making it more reliable for every shot to gain % 'extra' damage by shredding a target's armor instead of random proc chances to basically double the damage hit (250% with infinity edge).

Hell i would not be amazed if they tweak the critical formula to be more effective and maybe trim back penetration item builds to tune out the marksmen exploitation builds, the latter would at least help with alot of champions who could just build Black cleaver (pretty much 'every' top laner in general you can say currently on the AD spectrum), plus Ghost blade itself might as well be removed from existence now as being a major bane to what allows it. Such as:

Ghost blade giving 20 flat penetration allows it be a very strong item for basically any AD champion in general whether its Bot, Jungle, Mid or even Top, especially against targets who don't take the option to build armor tankie first (which gets shut down anyway in top scenarios via black cleaver instead first).
Ghost blade already gives a sizable 60 AD to add to its strength, obviously not the highest AD item in the game but it combined with the 20 armor pen alongside mastery bonuses of 7% Armor pen or flat AD/AP pen stacks it strongly, especially early game.
10% cooldown, basically the minor part of the bit but it feels like it could be removed and the item will still be super OP as hell. Otherwise it doesn't help by giving some early on CD to make trade/pokes way more frequently especially when people build this item first(thank god its components sides the long swords share no build path with black cleaver to prevent item build juking).
Ghost blade's active adds the nail to the coffin since 40% attack speed and 20% move speed for 6 seconds every 45 seconds makes it a extremely potent item to flip a trade, chase a target down, escape with ease or just plain speed rush a turret down a lot faster. The active itself really needs to get part of the heavy nerf since any items that acts like a major swiss'army knife toolkit by itself alone is never a good idea to be present. I would even go as far to say they need to cut down or remove the move speed altogether OR reduce the attack speed greatly to make its use as a hyper carry/yolo assassin blade as not nutty or just plain reduce the duration greatly so its more of a short burst item then a Mini-Ghost spell with a tacked on attack speed bonus on top of it.

Though it might back'fire in some regards, if they make Critical hit more viable in terms of damage dealing and alongside make 'tank stacking less eploitative' and 'penetration stacking especially in early game' where its more useful to build it mid or even late game and just plain a bad idea in early, then i hope it will tilt the game to some semblance of balance. That or they could just take the red button pathway and make flat penetration building worthless on nothing but assassins, with it only be slightly viable on marksmen but utterly a bad idea on 'fighters'. Probably require them to tune a few things around (like maybe changing the rules for on hit effect type of things), but LoL is already a primordial pot of crazy to get it right.

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