The counterplay to Ryze ult is to silence or immobilize him while he's channeling it.
Seems hard to silence or immobilize Ryze while he's channeling his ult if he's in Zhonyas.
Its not like fiddle can drain people while in Zhonya. I don't think Ryze should be able to channel ult while in Zhonya either. You should only be able to channel one thing at a time.
MeowGath3 votesexcept that zhonya's doesn't have a channeling active. So by your logic, Ryze is stilll channeling only one thing.
Critkeeper1 votesexcept that zhonya's doesn't have a channeling active. So by your logic, Ryze is stilll channeling only one thing.
Zhonya's active is a channel doofus
Seth the Green1 votesno it isnt UNIQUE – STASIS: Put yourself in stasis for 2.5 seconds, rendering yourself untargetable and invulnerable for the duration, but also unable to move, attack, cast spells, or use items during this time. 120 second cooldown.
MuffledGarbage2 votesWhy is there not a 
item for AP characters??????????
Why does
E have AP ratios??????????????????
Why isn't there a 
for AP characters??????
Why can 
be used while CC'd?????????
Why can 
save people from dying every 180 seconds????
Ryze can move and cast spells during the channel so there's little reason to force him to be unable to use 
while using his ult.
If you did that you would have to give 
ult the ability to make him invincible while it's up because Fiddle can still activate while his ult is up...
Every single ability in the game that can persist whilst is in use would have to be buffed to compensate.
That's an insane amount of work for an interaction that can happen at most every 120 seconds...
what you deserve3 votesEvery single ability in the game that can persist whilst
That's an insane amount of work for an interaction that can happen at most every 120 seconds...
Nah, dude. You just have to make Hourglass "dodge" the Ryze TP, just like the way it works with Bard ult.
MuffledGarbage1 votesdid you even read what you said in relation to what I posted?
EVERY ability in the game that can persist while active is in use...
not just 
but 
ALL of them too...
It'd be one of the largest changes done in league since the new Rift was made a few years back
what you deserve4 votesdid you even read what you said in relation to what I posted?
EVERY ability in the game that can persist while
not just
It'd be one of the largest changes done in league since the new Rift was made a few years back
I did read it, but it was completely irrelevant to the OP. What OP is complaining about is that Ryze can teleport away while in Zhonya's- it's not saying the ult should be canceled or the active be disabled while it's open.
MuffledGarbage1 votesIts not like fiddle can drain people while in Zhonya. I don't think Ryze should be able to channel ult while in Zhonya either. You should only be able to channel one thing at a time.
He is saying the active shouldn't be able to be used while is able to be used...
So He _IS _ saying the active should be disabled while portal is open...
You aren't the most adamant reader, evidently.
Critkeeper2 votesWhy is there not a
Why does
Why isn't there a
Why can
Why can
Ryze can move and cast spells during the channel so there's little reason to force him to be unable to use
If you did that you would have to give
Every single ability in the game that can persist whilst
That's an insane amount of work for an interaction that can happen at most every 120 seconds...
Fiddles isn't channeling ult while zhonyad, he's simply in ult while zhonya'd. There is a difference.
The difference would be like, fiddle pressing R to channel ult (takes like 1.5 seconds if i remember), then pressing zhonya immediately so you can't interrupt it. If he could do that, he wouldn't need to skulk around the sides of the lanes and in the fog of war to set up a great ult, he could just do it right in front of you.
Channeled abilities are simply abilities that can be interrupted by doing X.
All of your other comments are completely irrelevant because they have nothing to do with the topic.
MuffledGarbage1 votes is in ult while 'd
there's no difference.
The only reason for to have the first 2.5 seconds of his ult as a channel is so he, his team, and your team can all reposition themselves accordingly to where he set it.
Channeled abilities are abilities that are channeled. Not Channeled abilities can be interrupted by doing X.
and were obviously meant to have this interaction as a result of riot releasing in his state.
I still love your last argument, going all "your other comments are irrelevant so imma ignore them"
yes because an item working as intended is irrelevant to how other items work in tandem with other abilities (Ex:
and active)
Critkeeper2 votes
there's no difference.
The only reason for
Channeled abilities are abilities that are channeled. Not Channeled abilities can be interrupted by doing X.
I still love your last argument, going all "your other comments are irrelevant so imma ignore them"
yes because an item working as intended
Learn to read. Its a channel. For 2 seconds. He's just able to move around and cast spells while doing it.
That doesn't mean he should be able to start a second channel like zhonya
Realm Warp RANGE: 1750 / 3000 COST: 100 MANA COOLDOWN: 120 Realm Warp ACTIVE: Ryze channels for 2 seconds, during which he opens a portal around him, and upon successfully completing the channel, he and all allies within the portal blink to the target location. Ryze can move around and cast spells during this channel, which can be interrupted by both Silence icon silencing and Root icon immobilizing effects. Realm Warp can only be ranked up twice, with ranks available at levels 6 and 11. Instead, Overload.png Overload has 6 ranks.
MuffledGarbage1 votesYou just argued against yourself there...
You support being able to cast spells and move...
but you don't support being able to use items? specifically ???
If you want to argue against yourself then continue on because it should be very interesting on what way you attempt to justify allowing a champ to do one thing (CASTING SPELLS AND MOVING) but not the other()
Seth the Green1 votesYou know zhonya's isn't a channel right? It's an instant ability
Moooose32 votesIf he wants to use two very long cooldowns escaping a gank, let him. The difference is because Ryze isn't channeling anything, where fiddlesticks drain is. Ryze ult isn't a channel since he can still move and cast spells while on his ult. Zzz
Ahristocats2 votesgreat suggestion
except that he has 38% win rtae
hi im bannned1 votes^
Asayake 5150glow1 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Sona x Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ed1WM0sW,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-04-02T20:46:30.060+0000)
great suggestion
except that he has 38% win rtae
Fuck that, we all know Ryze needs a rework of some caliber, keep him bad until that happens.
Marshbouy1 votesit's a gimmicky thing. it's not like ryze needs any nerfs.
Shuyin1781 votesRyze's ult is not a channel ability, it's a delayed active (like Taric's ult).
The reason Ryze can go away on his ult while in Hourglass mode is because Stasis is a different from of CC than a snare, root, or stun. It just makes him invincible and untargetable. It was setup where he could still teleport with his ult while in Stasis mode.
Asayake 5150glow1 votesThe counterplay to Ryze ult is to silence or immobilize him while he's channeling it.
Wrong.
The counterplay is to kill him before it finishes, or knock him out of it.
It's not a channel, either. He places it down and can still move, cast abilities, etc. Silencing or immobilizing him does nothing.
Critkeeper1 votesWrong.
The counterplay is to kill him before it finishes, or knock him out of it.
It's not a channel, either. He places it down and can still move, cast abilities, etc. Silencing or immobilizing him does nothing.
Any snare stops his ult. You can test it yourself.
Asayake 5150glow1 votesAny snare stops his ult. You can test it yourself.
It'll still go off though, it just won't bring Ryze.
Zane Zephyr1 votesWell yeah, that's the thing, he's saying that it's kind of unfair where he can zhonyas in his ult and prevent you from stopping him since you can't cc him.
hi im bannned1 voteshe already got nerfed to the dumpster, he has like a 37% win rate. i don't see how can you complain when infact there aren't anymore good ryze players out there.
Troll for Trump1 votesRyze ult isn't channeled, it's just delayed.
Like, you cast it, and it starts "channeling itself," independent of Ryze.
Anything with that little blue bar underneath it is a constant channel, which can be interrupted by cc or kass Q types of things.
Things that are delayed with cast times aren't being channeled, they're just delayed.
Ryze's delay just happens to be a long one
Funny think I think can ultwhile zhonyas'd
