Has Riot changed their mind about this?

Warlord Rhinark··14 votes·8,742 views

It seems people are very displeased with the recent changes (Unneccessary Mundo buff, unneccessary Poppy nerf upcoming crit changes, true damage on IE, Stormrazor, etc. etc.)

Makes me wonder if this gem from Ask Riot still holds true.

Do you guys intentionally make changes to alter the meta? Short answer – nope. While our work definitely has an impact on what is considered meta at any given time, we never go into a period of the year and go “alright, it’s been long enough, time to make poke strats dominant again!” Rather, metas tend to evolve throughout a season based on a variety of factors like regional champion preferences, different skill levels, what you see in pro play, etc., so it’s more like a continual process of adaptation for players as they optimize towards the next best thing as we change the game every patch. MAPLE NECTAR Gameplay Producer

Source: (You'll maybe have to scroll a little bit to find it).

https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/#category/ask-riot?question=do-you-guys-intentionally-make-changes-t

20 Comments

Blades in Exile6 votes

The crit changes, true damage on ie and stormrazor are in response to players outcries about bot lane being to influential.

Warlord Rhinark4 votes

"We think ADCS' damage is a bit frontloaded so let's give them an item that's basically a free crit on engage"

"Oh and let's give them true damage as well"

FixHealsRemoveGW2 votes

I recommend you actually take a close look at the changed items and compare them before you immediatly start to QQ again, unless you wanna look like a complete idiot who just wants to QQ no matter what.

CLÜE5 votes

Wait haven't they actually said that they are trying to force other roles besides ADCs into the botlane? Isn't that intentionally changing the meta???

Warlord Rhinark2 votes

Uh oh.

Exposed.

D4M2X04 votes

damn right they force a meta, right now they are forcing an assassin meta by buffing assassins and nerfing ADC's/mages. guess what? ADC's are the main reason assassins thrive and mages cant keep up with assassins. if no one picked ADC then how will assassins stay relevant mid/lategame vs a tank/zhonyas/etc?

they gutted tank junglers and most bruisers and only buff assassins too! and when people have cried enough about assassins then maybe in a year riot will finally gut assassins and force a nidalee/elise meta, and then the year after gragas/sej.

HalcyonDweller3 votes

Having a poll seems silly to me, we can't actually know if they force the meta or not, so really what your poll is asking is whether we believe that Riot forces the meta. It certainly won't be useful as evidence for or against the claim that they force the meta.

Warlord Rhinark2 votes

Yeah.

I might have worded it incorrectly.

I meant for it to say "Do you believe Riot forces the meta? / Do you not believe Riot forces the meta?"

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

No big deal, I think it's still a really good point to talk about anyways, and I already upvoted the post back when I first commented.

remakoro1 votes

Isnt that fucking obvious that you asking for individual opinions? That you can even possibly misunderstand there.

flibitydoo2 votes

I do, remember when they refused to nerf ardent censer because worlds was coming up?

and their reasoning was literally "we don't want to change the meta for the pros".

which makes no sense, if they really are skilled players, they would just adapt to it. Like they always have.

Saianna3 votes

Ofc the force the meta. Like.. what kind of a blind **moron **would think otherwise at this point?

TheDevice2 votes

"unnecessary poppy nerf"

yeah, I don't think she was nerfed. Some rebalancing for sure, but not a flat out nerf. The R changes are HUGE. Poppy shouldn't be zipping all over the map anyways so the MS nerf was a good counterweight to the changes including the range buffs. A little drop in durability will increase her difficulty for sure, but I'm pretty confident that poppy mains won't skip a beat adjusting.

Sexy Jack Rabbit1 votes

Ironic considering they're buffering her MS back up next patch.

TheDevice1 votes

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Ironic considering they're buffering her MS back up next patch.

Well was probably too much I suppose. What do I know anyway?

BadTot2 votes

I don't think they force the meta I just think that they have inferior knowledge about how the game plays and they should listen to their players more, but the right players. Casual players should not even have a voice in the matter of balance, they will not care enough or play competitively enough to get the intricate mechanics and technicalities of the game. For example, a casual player says Mundo is broken now that his ultimate has a major buff, however, this doesn't make Mundo overpowered in the slightest as there is still counter play and the rest of his kit is not excessively troublesome or does an unreasonable amount of damage.

AirKingNeo2 votes

Let's not forget the yearly Lee Sin buff every worlds to push him into the meta.

N o t I n t e n t i o n a l

Boulderox1 votes

i think it is less they purposely do it, but their decisions lack one piece of data and that is the % of broken champions, which lets be honest, there are 140 champions, and an item change can balance half, fuck over/buff 20%, and break the final 5%. There is never a way in sight to make everything balanced the way they are going. I always said back around Yasuo, they really need to pull back the reigns on new champions and fix the game as it is. They kind of have done that, but they are still incentivizing more and more damage which is so silly imo. step back, pause anything that is in the pipeline for new champs, etc. Update old champs, TEST them, and fix the holes in the game. What is a tank supposed to do? what is the purpose of a support? what is different from a tank and tank support? Can mages be good without being assassins or roamers or both? Just dissect the game into core blocks, and build the game up from there bit by bit, and have a strong base. Because over time they make rules to break them later, that causes a problem, then they institute another rule they break later, and the cycle continues

CrazFight 1 votes

I really hope they enforce the meta, otherwise I don't see another explanation for some of there whack changes.

Sire Hippington1 votes

The S6 tower changes are enough to show that they indeed force the meta.

However, i think they've become better lately, actively trying to imprve off builts(ap ratio buffs for serveral champs) and testing changes that help some champs to be used in other roles. They also changed stromrazor to no longer have free crit and focus more on AS.

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