For those who question why I use to like Wit's end so much perhaps I should explaine why.

Irelia Bot··2 votes·645 views

This is based on the season 2 stats from one of those filthy season 2 Irelia mains.day.

If I recall it was a Recurvebow + null magic mantle + dagger. 2000 to 2200 cost depending on on the patch Unique: 42 on hit magic damage 40% attack speed 30 MR Unique: auto attacks increase your MR by 5 for 5 seconds stacking up to 4 times

Something might be a little off but this is the general idea for the stats.

42 on hit magic damage: pop culture references aside, being able to effectively bypass part of an enemy stacking armor made this item a fairly good pickup against many tanker enemies and the MR made it good against mages you would often run into top lane like Vlad. Getting it against someone like Malphite who is rushing a frozen heart or omen is sometimes the best option open to primarily physical damage auto attacking reliant champs. Given the price range of this compared to the higher price of frozen heart back in the day it was a good power spike often was completed around 10 to 12 minutes, it was not bought every game but it had clear reasons to be bought some games.

And for those who are saying "why not build hexdrinker" hexdrinker is less MR and 20 AD with a fairly short lived shied. It does not feel like any kind of power spike unless you are only trying to survive Annie or Syndra's ult.

The 40% attack speed and flat MR shouldn't need much explaining. They are reliable and provided a decent amount of good combat stats.

And assuming memory servers right you would get the MR stacks from auto attacking anything meaning it was not limited to being stacked only while in a trade with an enemy champ.

It was often called a cheap, highly cost efficient, not so slot efficient item. You would get it for a early to mid game advantage and it had trade offs in extended games.

If revamped it could build into a revamped madred's bloodrazor if Riot wanted it to have a late game build path and have a second build path in a revamped malady which could maintain the current MR shred. ANd yes any % helath damge would have the same unique passive name in BLOODRAZOR to prevent stacking.

It could also be what it was know for back in season 2 as the situationally good option early to mid game for on hit building champs but not the best option for extended games.

But in it's current state the stats and the cost are not even worth considering outside of about 7 champs. Kayle buys it in about 20% of games and Kog buys it in about 30% of games. Even it's long standing poster child Warwick does not buy it much anymore after his rework.

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Bradley Dragon2 votes

wits end is still good when combined with guinsoo. varus is also one who can make good use of it when going the ap route. which i have found is a ap focused hybrid. guinso plus wits end, then throw in a nashors, tanks just melt.

Varus item 3146 item 3124 item 3091 item 3135 item 3115 item 3020 fun tip. you heal from the on hit with gunblade.

Irelia Bot1 votes

You are having to go out on a limb to justify it's current state and it is still only all of about 7 champs who can even justify it once in a while. Only Kayle and Kog buy it at all consistently now with a 20% and 30% buy rate.

SaltyKracka1 votes

If being able to itemize into mixed damage were a more common thing, defensive items would have to be massively buffed.

See: Guinsoo's, Sated Devourer.

WoonStruck1 votes

I think it should be unique in regards to botrk, not bloodrazor.

Lifesteal vs MR+shred.

Irelia Bot1 votes

So long as it has the MR shred it is going to be extremely limited in who can justify it.

It is adding a mandatory bachelors in English literature to a job listing for a plumber. Yes some might have the bachelors degree requested but it makes the job not open to a huge number of otherwise valid options.

LordGeovanni1 votes

id just like to see riot stick a item 3801 in there and give it 300 hp and maybe 100 - 150% hp5

Irelia Bot1 votes

I would rather see Wit's and raptor cloak build into a revamped Madred's bloodrazor

LordGeovanni1 votes

i dont waqnt to see wits end change into another item but even if it picks up armor it still needs about 300 hp in any case.

Rebonack1 votes

I've got two minds on Wit's End.

On the one hand, I'm a Kog one-trick. So I play one of the few champs who actually works really well with Wit's. Kog with Wit's and Tabi can out-trade a pretty wide selection of the cast provided he doesn't play like an idiot. Coming from that angle, I wouldn't mind seeing more items like Wit's added to the game. Moderately expensive OnHit/defensive items. From that angle, bringing back Malady (item 1042 item 1043 ) as the core item that these various defensive onhit items build out of would smooth the build path while unifying them like Zeal does for its items.

On the other hand, I like seeing a wide variety of items used in game. And to that end, the MR shred on Wit's is bad. There are very few champs who can justify getting it as a first item, and given the potency of Wit's flat onhit damage and shred, it really should be rushed as a first item if you're going to buy it. If Wit's got the MR shred removed, then it should probably be scaled back to a component item (item 1043 item 1057) that gets at least one upgrade for late game. If the MR stealing were included in one of those upgrades, then it should probably become %resist stealing rather than flat. Or if we wanted to get really fancy, a flat value or a percentile value, whichever is greater. Something like-

Unique Passive Witless: Your basic attacks steal 5% of the target's current magic resist (minimum 5 MR stolen), stacking up to six times.

Just two cents from someone who builds Wit's nearly every single game.

Irelia Bot1 votes

it could easily have 2 different items it builds into which would allow for kog and kayle players to have their reason to buy it along with potentially some others like Azir and teemo liking it as an option.

I am not against a revamped Wit's end building into new versions of Malady and Madred's blood razor and I would actually like that option a lot.

Madred's bloodrazor being the more defensive focused option building from something like a raptor cloak + wit's end providing perhaps 2% of the owners bonus health as on hit damage in addition to 50 on hit magic damage. cost around 3600 Wit's end + raptor cloak 40% attack speed 40 MR 40armor +150% base health regeneration UNIQUE - Bloodrazor/: 50+2% bonus health on hit magic damage UNIQUE : auto attacks increase your armor and MR by 5 for 5 seconds lasting for 4 seconds.| UNIQUE – POINT RUNNER: Builds up to 20% Movement Speed over 2 seconds while near turrets, fallen turrets and Void Gates.

Malady having the MR shred that Wit's end currently has applying on magic damage dealt perhaps building from Wit's and and Lost Chapter or something along those lines applying 50 + 1% total mana on hit magic damage. Cost of around 3300 350 mana 40% attack speed 40MR 50 AP UNIQUE: 50+ 1% total mana on hit magic damage UNIQUE: Auto attacks increase your MR by 5 stacking 4 times for 5 seconds UNIQUE: applying magic damage reduces the targets MR by 5 stacking up to 5 items for 5 seconds.

A revamped Wit's end would be nice having stats around Recurve Bow(1000) + Null magic mantle (450) +450g = Wit's end (1900) 42 on hit magic damage (I really want this universal answer reference back) 30% attack speed (10% less then it had in season 2) 30 MR Auto attacks increase MR by 5 stacking up to 4 times for 5 seconds.

This would be a good item to rush and would match the reasoning for it to be rushed in season 2.

Having 2 items it builds into later would provide both a reason for fighters who lack a lot of magic damage and want defensive stats as well as Kayle and Kog a reason to buy it. It might also become a popular item for champs like Azir and teemo among a few others. And yes thsi would be popular for the likes of Udyr, Shyvana, Irelia, Jax, and potentially Olaf as well.

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