@RiotRepertoir - A word on Fiddlesticks

Icepaw··3 votes·984 views

Fiddle is one of the more polarized champions in LoL. His strengths are powerful, and his weaknesses something that punish you heavily if you take them into concideration. This is a fact, and is why Riot themselves have maxed the "difficulty bar" in their champ information screen. He is hard to play, and you need to think to be able to excel with him, however, the reward when you make a triple kill by enemies whacking at your mid tower is priceless.

Now, during the last year, one and a half years or so, Fiddle has been the victim of almost a dozen various nerfs. Patch 3.15 - Heavy nerf on Q - FEAR, reducing length. Patch 4.21 Silence version of E got a heavy nerf. Season5: His W max range got severly guttet. Season 4: Changes on jungle items, relying on AA for profits made his early game harder. Then, you introduced gold bonuses when having the machete, making it impossible to NOT choose it as a starting item. Then you introduce a jungle item that acutally makes sense to have (magus), just to replace it with such a bad item for him it gives the player physical pain just to being forced buying the jungle item cause of its gold income.

The worst of it all, is the attitude you serve. "Yeah we know it hurts you fiddleplayers, but youre gonna have to live with it". More or less that was said in the patch notes.

So in a years time, you have nerfed his Q, his W and his E, in addition to making him start behind everyeone else, being forced to buy an item he cannot utilize. This makes an already difficult champion like Fiddle so hard to play, its almost not worth it. Fiddle is by far the weakest duelist out there atm, even though he is an easy guy to clear the jungle with. So the few strengths he had, has been diminishing so quickly the last year, there are almost none left. However, his weaknesses are as stong as ever.

Riot, you claim your philosophy is to high risk, high reward. Well, tell you what. Engaging Fiddle today, is no risk at all for the other player. Fiddle has no mobility, no real strenght early game and are in gold deficit compared to everyone else cause of the items he cant utilize properly.

His ultimate is the one thing that makes him dangerous, and even now, with all the mobility on all other champs, his reduced ranges, CC-length and silence makes it too difficult to make a kill compared to his weaknesses. Fiddlesticks are inches from being trash tier, and mostly will be if you dont have vast amounts of experience with him, like myself.

Too see you buffing one of the most powerful, mobile junglers in the game, Lee Sin, makes me wonder where your thoughts are at. Lee Sin has NO APPARENT WEAKNESSES and gets buffed. Fiddlesticks has a ton of them, and dosent get any attention rather than the nerfs.

Something must be done!

My personal propsals are (make one or more.. not all)

W Drain - doest not get interrupted with soft CC and minor knockbacks (diana E) W Drain - Fiddle can move around at reduced speed and AA without interrupting drain. Q Fear - If not targeting a champion, it will automaticly target the closest champion. Interrupting R crowstorm will set the ult on reduced CD. 15 secs. Upon landing Crowstorm, Fiddle gets a small movement speed buff for the duration of the spell. Passive gets changed to: "Enemies affected by spells or autoattacks get a stack of dread. Each stack of dread reduces the magic resist by 5. At five stacks of dread, the victim suffers a slow, and takes 10% more damage from Fiddles abilities". (A stack can be gained each 0.5 seconds with DoT spells.) (A player can not be affected more than one time within 30 seconds)

Any thoughts are appreciated. Thanks.

6 Comments

LaughingStapler1 votes

I agree. He feels really lackluster now. The only reason his winrate isn't trash is because he has one of the highest # of average games. A lot of his fans are really dedicated to him.

Only Play Darius1 votes

I am fine with Fiddlesticks as a champion. But tell me, what is the counterplay to him once he gets item 3157 and you can't do anything to kill him or kick him away while he melts your health bar?

Icepaw1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jelly Mac,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EX4GIynX,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-08-13T07:55:21.851+0000)

I am fine with Fiddlesticks as a champion. But tell me, what is the counterplay to him once he gets item 3157 and you can't do anything to kill him or kick him away while he melts your health bar?

At the current state, a Fiddle needs to be really fed to be of serious threath with the zhonya combo. An even matched fiddle, will deal you lets say mid game: 200dmg a second, 500dmg over zhonya time, take away roguhly 40% due to MR, and your true damage will be around 300 out of between 1500 and 3500 depending on role. Fiddle cant drain you while he is in zhonyas, so the main dmg source cant be utilized. Even for squishies, this isnt very hard.

There are 2 main ways to counter this combo however. If you as a Fiddle player decide to launch the ult in plain view, you have 1.5sec immobile channel time. Any cc at this time will interrupt it (unlike Syndras ult), and set it on full CD. If you dont see Fiddle, place wards, and you will be mostly out of reach, never ending up in that situation at all.

LaughingStapler1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jelly Mac,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EX4GIynX,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-08-13T07:55:21.851+0000)

I am fine with Fiddlesticks as a champion. But tell me, what is the counterplay to him once he gets item 3157 and you can't do anything to kill him or kick him away while he melts your health bar?

Warding... proper positioning... not overextending... split-pushing so he has fewer opportunities to setup anything (his waveclear is really bad)... poke abilities for scouting... speed boosts to run from his Crowstorm... displacement abilities like from Alistar so he can't stay on your team... Locket and MR in general... etc.

Icepaw1 votes

This post is everything you asked for in a "tips for balance" thread you have. There is no reason to overlook it Riot (bump)

Kwack its a crow1 votes

I used to main fiddle, but now I decided to spam Malzahar until fiddle gets fixed.

I agree that the last jungle item nurf was huge. It made him very dependent on getting a kill early, otherwise he will be behind and useless. Its like they are treating him as an assassin, for which, he is NOT!

For me fiddlesticks was very rewarding when I did well, now he became only rewarding when the other team throws me kills.

Please do something.

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