The state of Fiddlesticks

Icepaw··5 votes·1,156 views

Before anyone asks, yes my main is Fiddlesticks. Does that make me biased, yes. However, playing thousands of games with him over the last few years, i am one of few that actually feel the small changes on him on a daily basis.

Fiddle is one of the more polarized champions in LoL. His strengths are powerful, and his weaknesses something that punish you heavily if you take them into concideration. This is a fact, and is why Riot themselves have maxed the "difficulty bar" in their champ information screen. He is hard to play, and you need to think to be able to excel with him, however, the reward when you make a triple kill by enemies whacking at your mid tower is priceless.

Now, during the last year, one and a half years or so, Fiddle has been the victim of almost a dozen various nerfs. Patch 3.15 - Heavy nerf on Q - FEAR, reducing length. Patch 4.21 Silence version of E got a heavy nerf. Season5: His W max range got severly guttet. Season 4: Changes on jungle items, relying on AA for profits made his early game harder. Then, you introduced gold bonuses when having the machete, making it impossible to NOT choose it as a starting item. Then you introduce a jungle item that acutally makes sense to have (magus), just to replace it with such a bad item for him it gives the player physical pain just to being forced buying the jungle item cause of its gold income.

The worst of it all, is the attitude you serve. "Yeah we know it hurts you fiddleplayers, but youre gonna have to live with it". More or less that was said in the patch notes.

So in a years time, you have nerfed his Q, his W and his E, in addition to making him start behind everyeone else, being forced to buy an item he cannot utilize. This makes an already difficult champion like Fiddle so hard to play, its almost not worth it. Fiddle is by far the weakest duelist out there atm, even though he is an easy guy to clear the jungle with. So the few strengths he had, has been diminishing so quickly the last year, there are almost none left. However, his weaknesses are as stong as ever.

Riot, you claim your philosophy is to high risk, high reward. Well, tell you what. Engaging Fiddle today, is no risk at all for the other player. Fiddle has no mobility, no real strenght early game and are in gold deficit compared to everyone else cause of the items he cant utilize properly.

His ultimate is the one thing that makes him dangerous, and even now, with all the mobility on all other champs, his reduced ranges, CC-length and silence makes it too difficult to make a kill compared to his weaknesses. Fiddlesticks are inches from being trash tier, and mostly will be if you dont have vast amounts of experience with him, like myself.

Too see you buffing one of the most powerful, mobile junglers in the game, Lee Sin, makes me wonder where your thoughts are at. Lee Sin has NO APPARENT WEAKNESSES and gets buffed. Fiddlesticks has a ton of them, and dosent get any attention rather than the nerfs.

Something must be done!

My personal propsals are (make one or more.. not all)

  • W Drain - doest not get interrupted with soft CC and minor knockbacks (diana E)
  • W Drain - Fiddle can move around at reduced speed and AA without interrupting drain.
  • Q Fear - If not targeting a champion, it will automaticly target the closest champion.
  • Interrupting R crowstorm will set the ult on reduced CD. 15 secs.
  • Upon landing Crowstorm, Fiddle gets a small movement speed buff for the duration of the spell.
  • Passive gets changed to: "Enemies affected by spells or autoattacks get a stack of dread. Each stack of dread reduces the magic resist by 5. At five stacks of dread, the victim suffers a slow, and takes 10% more damage from Fiddles abilities". (A stack can be gained each 0.5 seconds with DoT spells.) (A player can not be affected more than one time within 30 seconds)

Give us something to make Fiddle a terrifying creature again.. cause right now he is as scary as Annies teddybear at lvls 1-5. Red response on this are highyl appreciated.

10 Comments

Tworie2 votes

And they should totally revert the nerf to his W range

Gooner 141 votes

yeah fiddle was my main back in season 3 and 4, after the nerfs he's not as good as he used to be, plus u forgot to mention some of indirect nerfs he got.

1- nerfed the smite range on champions ( i used to Drain and smite for the slow, now the smite range is much shorter that u cant smite and drain. )

2- it will take you almost 30 to one min to kill the Scuttle Crab cz you dont a hard CC spells to reduce his armour and magic resist, and your AA is weak. and when u start draining him he'll run out of range as soon as you start your spell.

1374342 votes

[{quoted}](name=Gooner 14,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3X8P4ZnL,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-08-10T11:38:57.228+0000) 2- it will take you almost 30 to one min to kill the Scuttle Crab cz you dont a hard CC spells to reduce his armour and magic resist, and your AA is weak. and when u start draining him he'll run out of range as soon as you start your spell.

As of patch 5.14 fear reduces the scuttle crabs's armor and MR.

Gooner 141 votes

still, u dont have an ability that could kill him as fast the others, use ur drain and you'll see it run like there's no tomorrow, and your AA isnt that strong.

Icepaw1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Gooner 14,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3X8P4ZnL,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-08-10T11:38:57.228+0000)

yeah fiddle was my main back in season 3 and 4, after the nerfs he's not as good as he used to be, plus u forgot to mention some of indirect nerfs he got.

1- nerfed the smite range on champions ( i used to Drain and smite for the slow, now the smite range is much shorter that u cant smite and drain. )

2- it will take you almost 30 to one min to kill the Scuttle Crab cz you dont a hard CC spells to reduce his armour and magic resist, and your AA is weak. and when u start draining him he'll run out of range as soon as you start your spell.

As it is now, they need to give Fiddle one of two things. Either more mobility or sustain against interruptions. Is there any champion out there that cant break his drain with one of his main abilities?I would guess a good 95% of them can break the drain, and then you have one option left. run.

Its even funny how DoT drain that also heals you, cant even keep you alive during lvl 1-3 duels with other junglers. They damage you more than you damage then including difference due to heal. Its just sad!

Gooner 141 votes

i dont think the main problem is the Drain dmg the problem is the Drain range, now when you fear someone and drain him he'll automatically get out of your drain range even before the fear is gone, and will get back to kill you.

i think they need at least give his W its range back that will solve a lot of problems for him.

and i forgot to mention the indirect nerf ( Fear change last season), enemy used to run in random directions when feared, now they will just run away from you.

its ok for noc and shaco cz when you fear them u have to stick to them and apply your dmg but in fiddle's case you'll need to use your drain ( which is the main dmg you have ) after the fear and stand still ( CC your self ). by that time you wont do enough dmg to force them out of the lane, they will get out of your W range and laugh at you then get back to farming

Sohleks1 votes

Riot's opinion is that they think Fiddle is one of the strongest junglers in the game, which is a joke.

Icepaw1 votes

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Riot's opinion is that they think Fiddle is one of the strongest junglers in the game, which is a joke.

Yeah, its just out of reality. It seemes to me Fiddlesticks are one of those annoying things that makes a Rioter frustrated, when they cant excel with their l33t Lee Sin or Fizz in jungle. So when they have a bad day, they go home and spawn a shitload of thoughts about how powerful he are, without ever concidering the vast amounts of weakness he has.

Gooner 141 votes

you know why they think that? at the pre season him and WW was the only two junglers that can clear the jungle without no sustain problems, people start crying for nerfs so they did.

Icepaw1 votes

Just want to take a moment and thank the Riot team for taking the time to respond to a well composed post (built after Riots own guide about theese kind of posts) about a champion in dire need of attention. It warms my heart to see it totally overlooked, whereas every shit post with: #Topic: @meddler@(typeinyourfavouriterioter) #Body: omfg nerf this nidalee, so OP spear thankz

will get a devs attention just like that. Just as frustrating as watrching them plan to buff the strongest jungler out there.

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