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A dangerous line in the patch notes for Elise

Tentacle Love··1 votes·448 views

From the 5.1 Patch notes:

Jungle AI

Read below, there's no good summary here.

First, when we say "leash," we're talking about the moment when a monster camp either loses aggro on its target or switches to a different target (ie: when two champions 'juggle' aggro between them). So if one of those Krugs wiggles between two targets rapidly, you can expect it to hard reset pretty fast. This will have the largest impact on duo-lane partners who like to balance monster damage between them but will also affect long-range junglers who use the camp aggro range reset to take even less damage.

GO BACK TO YOUR HOME! Jungle monsters will 'hard' reset after 10 soft leashes ⇒ 5 soft leashes. Refer to the above context when we say "leashes" because it gets a little complicated.

Elise Elise has 2-5 spiderlings that tank jungle mobs for her. If she engages a jungle mob and that jungle mob oneshots all 5 spiderlings, won't it hard reset as soon as it targets her? If the mob is bouncing aggro back and forth between her spiderlings and her, it'll happen even faster.

You literally buffed Elise to help her out in the Jungle in the same patch notes, so you know that she's having trouble.

Was this an unanticipated side effect? Did players test this?

7 Comments

Laughing Fish1 votes

I would assume that they took this into consideration. But we shall find out when the patch goes live won't we?

KMannnnn11 votes

If I'm not mistaken, this is only for when the aggro changes without the monster being able to finish their attack, meaning if the monster kills 5 spiderlings, it will just move on to attacking elise.

TheKingDodo1 votes

soft reset ≠ killing something. read the actual texts pls. monsters soft reset when they reach the edge of their leash limit ~500-700 units from their origin OR if they constantly switch targets without actually hitting the target. Elise players usually auto-spell in range form, then switch immediately to spider form for LS. Elise won't be ranged long enough and far enough from the camp to force any kind of reset at all. Overall Resetting is location dependent. Killing will not result in a reset. the spiderings will be autod so that target switch will not count.

In case you're still confused, there are 3 monster behaviours that are taken into account:

  1. Monsters target the nearest target.
  2. Soft reset means if the monster won't be rapidly healing and the monster can be re-aggrod on its way back to its origin.
  3. Hard reset means that the monster will rapidly heal and can not be re-aggrod until the monster have returned to its origin. Ranged champs can take advantage of 2 by sitting at the edge of the leashing range. the monster will then soft reset, but not heal because it's a soft reset. laners can also take advantage of 1 by alternating aggros; usually in this case, laners can avoid damage entirely by alternating who's closest to the monsters. The soft reset counter will return to 0 if A) the monsters hit the target once B) the monster hard resets.
Tentacle Love1 votes

It doesn't say switching targets without killing someone. It just says switching targets. Like it does whenever it kills something.

TheKingDodo1 votes

Soft-resets only works when the target's not hit. (that's what juggling means) It's been like that for years. Unless they're changing the way it works. This forces ranged champs to tank the monsters more.

Tentacle Love1 votes

I appreciate you taking the time to explain it, but the text doesn't say that.

You said "read the actual texts pls.". The text didn't say anything about the monsters not resetting if you're still in range.

Thanks for the clarification though. I can at least feel confident that it won't bother me much while playing.

Droogzy1 votes

No Elise will be fine, did you watch Unicorns of Love's Twisted Fate jungle with Kikis I believe it is and how he basically ran out of jungle camps aggro range to prevent them from attacking him?

Basically this update prevents that from being as easy, Elise will always be in aggro range, so she should be ok.

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