Why were ryze/Ashe higher rework priorities than yorick/poppy.

Buttigieg 2020·Jun 2, 2015·4 votes·525 views

I feel like yorick rework should have at least started by 2013. He is the single most toxic champion in the game, same goes for poppy. I feel like ryze and Ashe could have waited because they were both somewhat decent before the reworks and were not in dire need for any changes. I honestly feel yorick is more toxic than pre-rework sion, he was literally taken out of the free champion rotation, I do not know why it took so long to start (they started 2ish months ago). Their are PLENTY of yorick kit ideas on the Internet and it isn't that hard to think of a kit for a gravedigger.

Tl; dr: yorick should have been reworked years ago.

6 Comments

Hard4HamstersJun 2, 20154 votes

(Disclaimer, I am not a game designer so take everything I say with a grain of salt) I don't think they were showed higher priority. They had much simpler reworks than the levels proposed for Poppy and Yorick. They are both Sion level projects that are probably already months in the process of being reworked, but it takes a lot of time and resources to completely re"Launch" a champion rather than just change their abilities a little bit. For Ryze, he received new spell visuals and an altered E but changing Q to a skillshot wouldn't be that challenging and all of his animations are the same. For Ashe they introduced a new Q entirely, slightly changed her W, and changed the E to be global and stack charges. Again, none of her animations were changed, she has the same model, and the hardest thing to work out was her Q and then coding on her "crit".

As for Poppy, her E is the only thing that is known to be salvaged from her old kit. Similar to how Sion only keeping his W from his old kit (and the passive on his old E). She is up for an entire kit rework, a visual overhaul including her model, skins, and artwork, a new voiceover, and new lore. Poppy is a BIG project, whereas Ryze and Ashe were small projects that could be completed rather quickly. The resources that you would have to allocate to complete a Sion level project in the same amount of time that you can complete an Ashe level project would be enormous. So instead the team is taking their time to complete Poppy by allocating smaller amounts of resources over a longer period of time, so they can work on smaller things at the same time.

As for Yorick. I forget if his rework was iceboxed or not. His was announced a LONG time ago, but he is a problem and Riot has acknowledged that. If UOL play him some more in competitive, he might get pushed forward a little bit, but right now, he doesn't see enough play for his "toxic" kit to be a problem.

MatezoideJun 2, 20151 votes

Yorick and Poppy are niwhere near as toxic as Nidalee, Kalista or LeBlanc.

Ok, maybe not Poppy, but Yorick is fine and has actual weaknesses. People just find him to be boring as fuck

Anyway, reason for that is because they are planned to have massive reworks. I mean Sion-level rework. That takes time and effort.

They are working on their reworks, but Ashe and Ryze were just much faster to actually go through.

HaIlMonitorJun 2, 20151 votes

Because riot would rather release new champs to make more money then to rework old ones that people already own....

lB2kGRlc8yJun 2, 20151 votes

Ryze and Ashe were released before Yorick ever was, so what you're saying has no relevance to the OP's post. He's asking why suuuuuper old champions got their reworks first when they weren't in as dire need of it as poppy and yorick were.

BeatzBoyFTWJun 2, 20151 votes

Ryze's & Ashe's rework wasn't really that big & complicated, or to make it easier, they're not Sion-level reworks. Only some of their kit requires changing, while others stay the same with a few necessary clarity included, such as Ashe's W being able to be blocked by an enemy of 2~ arrows instead of 1.

Dr PoroJun 2, 20151 votes

Because their reworks are a lot more complicated. Riot just doesn't know what to do with them honestly.

However, Ashe and Ryze didn't even need a rework imo. Ashe was a niche pick but she had a high winrate. She was strong, people just didn't appreciate as much. Ryze was kinda toxic, though since he dominated against melee champs which forced riot to make him unviable. The rework, however, is a total fail. Now he still sucks against long ranged, but he also sucks against melee. He's incredibly underpowered atm, and although the ideas were good, they messed up in numbers. Buffing the numbers is probably not what they want to do (as it risks making him oppressive again). They need to find a way to fix Ryze properly. His current stage is worse than it was right before the rework (where he was only slightly UP but not oppressive at all.)