while this 
EXISTS. this is superior to the manamune. which is the AD version. easily gets you like 130-150 or more AD if you cpl it with an ROA you will never run out of mana not to mention you will be tanky too. you are not sacrificing anything here.
Big Lincoln1 voteswell
you won't get any CDR from it, but it's really good on people who don't need that
MunchCrunchLunch1 votes[{quoted}](name=Angry Bards,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EVPxXJdY,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-12-18T23:49:57.929+0000)
well
you won't get any CDR from it, but it's really good on people who don't need that
so you want ap, cdr and mana in one item in superior forms. why not health armor mr and ms, as, crit too?
WalkingInACircle1 votesOh you mean like 
?
MunchCrunchLunch1 votesOh you mean like
because certainly most AD champs want crit. most ap champs don't crit.
Sir Yamazuki1 votesso you want ap, cdr and mana in one item in superior forms. why not health armor mr and ms, as, crit too?
That's the issue, they expect to be able to do lots of damage while having infinite mana/high mana regen and cap cdr all at the same time. Even though you're supposed to decide if you want more damage or have higher cdr, and honestly going for cdr on some champions in exchange for damage still results in them 100-0ing people anyways, so that extra damage isn't ever even needed.
Erockandroll1 votes[{quoted}](name=Lord Yamazuki,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EVPxXJdY,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2015-12-19T00:15:03.443+0000)
That's the issue, they expect to be able to do lots of damage while having infinite mana/high mana regen and cap cdr all at the same time.
That's what Blue bluff is for.
Just focus on Building HIgh AP and your MR shred.
Jabberwöcky1 votesso you want ap, cdr and mana in one item in superior forms. why not health armor mr and ms, as, crit too?
all you need.
Big Lincoln2 votesthat's not remotely what i said but i don't know what else i expect from boards
GigglingAngel1 votes
:D
(It actually does give 200 mana.)
Changeling1 votesIf you get fed enough where a ROA and Seraph's Embrace can be viable and reach full potential by the end of the game Mana is non-existent and you are a god with the rest of your build lol.
MunchCrunchLunch1 votesIf you get fed enough where a ROA and Seraph's Embrace can be viable and reach full potential by the end of the game Mana is non-existent and you are a god with the rest of your build lol.
I mean if you rush a tear of goddess first and then an ROA and then serphs embrace then you'd reach their potential by mid game honestly.
SSJTribe1 votesNot really, and this is coming from someone who builds this almost every game. It just takes too long for these items to charge up, especially in the current fast-paced meta.
The only mages that can really get away with this build are those who have something to help them compensate. For example, the mage I do this most on is Vel'koz. I can shrug off the laughable damage early on thanks to his true damage passive. The only other champ this works on is Ryze, since his abilities scale off of maximum mana.
Ionian1 votes
op