Buffing other tops so they can carry and be a threat is the answer.
Stop catering to the qq's of the marksmen and squishy supports. They need to accept the side effect of being squishy that comes with the way that they build, not have everything else dumbed down for them.
Sir Yamazuki6 votesNo thanks, the bruisers, fighters, or what ever you wish to call them that build 1~2 damage items and then tank but still get to kill people in 1 second is stupid. Especially in the case of Irelia where cc hardly does anything to her, and she runs fast+having a gap closer and cc of her own. You shouldn't be reliably killing people quickly without really building damage.
She's not even a threat to only squishy champions either, even if you're tankier and actually winning her stun is enough for her to suddenly beat you.
IcyPepper1 votesbut still get to kill people in 1 second is stupid.
As someone who plays bruisers plenty, I can say this only happens early game if a carry is caught out with no escapes. Come late game, the adc should be able to take a metaphorical dump on anyone. That's why supports go bot lane with the adc in the first place, because of the crappy early game.
There is some reason for the meta, and it's not because everyone else does it.
Sir Yamazuki1 votesAs someone who plays bruisers plenty, I can say this only happens early game if a carry is caught out with no escapes. Come late game, the adc should be able to take a metaphorical dump on anyone. That's why supports go bot lane with the adc in the first place, because of the crappy early game.
There is some reason for the meta, and it's not because everyone else does it.
Yeah, and I main bruisers and tanks. I am simply not biased. I rarely have a difficult time dealing with adcs as a bruiser or tank unless they got so far ahead. I don't want to play a game where bruisers get to build 1 damage item into full tank and suddenly assassinate carries like Irelia does.
IcyPepper1 votesPositioning is important for that very reason.
If Irelia can reach the carry (yes, I understand how her Q and R work), then the carry is screwed. It happens with almost every ad bruiser, not Irelia specifically. Hence, teamwork and positioning.
Sir Yamazuki1 votesPositioning is important for that very reason.
If Irelia can reach the carry (yes, I understand how her Q and R work), then the carry is screwed. It happens with almost every ad bruiser, not Irelia specifically. Hence, teamwork and positioning.
Irelia is pretty much immune to cc, where as other bruisers aren't. She is also far more reliable in killing carries than other bruisers thanks to her passive making it difficult to keep her off the carry along with a low cool down gap closer and high move speed.
IcyPepper1 votesShe's resistant to it. She gets 10% passively against one champion, up to 40% with three enemy champions are around.
If that's immune to cc, then Pantheon is immune to turrets and autoattacks.
It's a strong passive, no doubt, but it's not complete immunity.
Sir Yamazuki1 votesShe's resistant to it. She gets 10% passively against one champion, up to 40% with three enemy champions are around.
If that's immune to cc, then Pantheon is immune to turrets and autoattacks.
It's a strong passive, no doubt, but it's not complete immunity.
Mercs+pot. There is no point in denying that between her passive and items cc simply tickles her compared to any other bruiser.
IcyPepper1 votesAt least she doesn't resist knockups... yet.
Yeah she's probably going to get a lovetap so she doesn't get out of control, tbh.
urisnip2 votesi think kat is pretty op but... nowon cares lets just nerf irlelia
Anonagon2 votesI disagree. Irelia isn't just stronger than other bruisers. She invalidates many opponents and Is terribly designed. Some bruisers do need buffs but the fact that Irelia needs nerfs, particularly to her E, is undeniable.
Irelia Bot1 votesI disagree. Irelia isn't just stronger than other bruisers. She invalidates many opponents and Is terribly designed. Some bruisers do need buffs but the fact that Irelia needs nerfs, particularly to her E, is undeniable.
I didn't see people saying this in season 3 or 4. She has become strong with this meta and nerfs to others. She is even basically the strongest assassin left after the assassin cleanse that has been happening. She just happens to change from an assassin to a fighter later in the game.
Drillbreak3 votes[{quoted}](name=Irelia Bot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ERWmQKyt,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2015-03-09T03:59:34.824+0000)
I didn't see people saying this in season 3 or 4. She has become strong with this meta and nerfs to others. She is even basically the strongest assassin left after the assassin cleanse that has been happening. She just happens to change from an assassin to a fighter later in the game.
Yeah, she's an assassin with 3.5k HP, 200 AR, 150 MR while having built in tenacity.
Stop denying yourself kid, her E is way too strong a spell.
Irelia Bot1 votes[{quoted}](name=Darkin Blade,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ERWmQKyt,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2015-03-09T04:24:49.399+0000)
Yeah, she's an assassin with 3.5k HP, 200 AR, 150 MR while having built in tenacity.
Stop denying yourself kid, her E is way too strong a spell.
So you are saying that you would rather have Irelia brought down instead of aatrox brought up? I am saying other fighters and assassins should be buffed instead of just nerfing all the tops that are doing well.
Jefftiffy2 votes[{quoted}](name=Irelia Bot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ERWmQKyt,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2015-03-09T04:33:04.973+0000)
So you are saying that you would rather have Irelia brought down instead of aatrox brought up? I am saying other fighters and assassins should be buffed instead of just nerfing all the tops that are doing well.
No bruiser should be immune to CC practically dish out a ton of damage as well as not die. No I do not want other people up to her level because it is super toxic and bad for the game. I don't want League of Bruisers. I want League of Carries where you can actually do something about the person you need to shut down to win. The problem with bruisers is unlike carries. They don't just blow up. So having them kill equally built teams by blowing them up one by one is stupid and doesn't work for balance.
IcyPepper1 votesNo bruiser should be immune to CC
But she isn't. She gets 10% tenacity against a single opponent, up to 40% against three opponents. 1v1, her passive is relatively balanced compared to others (Pantheon gets to block some attacks, Darius gets his bleed effect, fucking Teemo, etc).
Besides, in a teamfight you shouldn't be wasting your cc on her unless you absolutely have to. Wasting all your cc on the frontline (except aoe like Leona's ult) is a quick way to lose a teamfight unless you got a plan.
Scorpionex1 votesNo bruiser should be immune to CC practically dish out a ton of damage as well as not die. No I do not want other people up to her level because it is super toxic and bad for the game. I don't want League of Bruisers. I want League of Carries where you can actually do something about the person you need to shut down to win. The problem with bruisers is unlike carries. They don't just blow up. So having them kill equally built teams by blowing them up one by one is stupid and doesn't work for balance.
Wait i can do this too i dont want a game where carries can kite me for days and days. Where an adc can crit me for 1k even with all that armor and kill me in seconds. I want a game where carries can only kill me if they are ahead. Bruisers should be the counter to carries because of the damage they can do while building defense. But no lets have carries be more powerful at everything and kill me before i can even get to them.
KaisadiIIa1 votesIrelia doesn't invalidate any top.
Juggernaut6281 votesI liked because of the title. But like they say, Better nerf Irelia.
RoMz1 votesI liked because of the title. But like they say, Better nerf Irelia.
Funny enough she hasn't been nerfed since roughly Season 2.
LeonDemonOfDeath1 votes[{quoted}](name=Echo RoMz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ERWmQKyt,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-03-09T02:31:33.871+0000)
Funny enough she hasn't been nerfed since roughly Season 2.
What ever do you mean? Just last April Fool's they nerfed her so hard they pretty much wrecked her!
thinking man1 votesBruisers are usually cancer so the answer is still to nerf the outliers.
ADCs will still generally not win a duel vs. a bruiser unless it is a good Vayneor they are massively stronger.
GloriousKaiser1 votesTwo possibilities on why your solution is not in effect.
Riot doesn't believe that is the solution.
Riot doesn't have the resources (their balance team is a single digit) for this to be possible.
Either way, buffing top fighters as a whole is going to be tricky. It failed before, it's not likely Riot will try again until they got their information gathered. Let's just hope the PBE tank-jungler buffs will balance the jungle fiasco.
Martyrofsand1 votesWhere did u get that they are nerfing Irelia?
Irelia Bot1 votesWhere did u get that they are nerfing Irelia?
It is likely to happen at the current rate things are going. 54% win rate after most of the nerfs that have been happening to top laners. Getting close to perma banned in plat and higher.
ABlueQuaker1 voteshttps://twitter.com/RiotMorello/status/573361985179545600
She's gonna get nerfed.
windwolf7771 votesRiot sees this: Nerfing 
isn't the answer. Better nerf
Kingsgrave1 votesIrelia hasn't been nerfed in like 2-3 years
It's about damn time