Change crit damage to 46%+ 3% per level.

Irelia Bot·Apr 24, 2018·14 votes·6,418 views

Make marksmen level reliant like everyone else.

And make Lethality on autos require being 250 units or closer so they don't get any ideas.

And the 50% on infinity edge is based on current crit damage.

20 Comments

MagicFlyingLlamaApr 24, 20184 votes

Crits are getting a rework, but it wont be that. The idea is to remove RNG from them.

Nerfing crit that much would utterly destroy balance, so the entire ADC class would need an update along with it, not to mention most fighters as well.

341123545652Apr 24, 20182 votes

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Crits are getting a rework, but it wont be that. The idea is to remove RNG from them.

Nerfing crit that much would utterly destroy balance, so the entire ADC class would need an update along with it, not to mention most fighters as well.

did they confirm crits are getting reworked? Didnt meddler just say "Oh likely few item tweaks" or some bullshit like that?

KadexeApr 24, 20183 votes

There has been no confirmation of an impending rework to crit, as far as I'm aware.

Irelia BotApr 24, 20185 votes

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Crits are getting a rework, but it wont be that. The idea is to remove RNG from them.

Nerfing crit that much would utterly destroy balance, so the entire ADC class would need an update along with it, not to mention most fighters as well.

This would target the "2 item scaling" of marksmen and make them more focused around late game allowing for other clases to be more relavante early to late game.

It is not something I am saying which will happen but simply a suggestion.

HópeApr 24, 20182 votes

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This would target the "2 item scaling" of marksmen and make them more focused around late game allowing for other clases to be more relavante early to late game.

It is not something I am saying which will happen but simply a suggestion.

There are a bunch.. Of champions who are supposed to be late game monsters but scale at one to two items... Don't target adcs because you can't 1v2

JackMcSnipeyzApr 24, 20184 votes

Then you'll see more marksman going to solo lanes because they scale off XP. Then you'll make a thread of how all marksmen get 1/2 of the regular XP.

Marksmen are gated by gold, increase item costs and trim excessive power from items and that should be enough -for marksmen- enchanters are another problem.

remakoroApr 24, 20182 votes

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Make marksmen level reliant like everyone else.

Dude. Whole point of maksmens is that they are more gold reliant than level reliant. Which allows them to be useful after coming out from lane that had 2 people on it.

Irelia BotApr 24, 20182 votes

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Dude. Whole point of maksmens is that they are more gold reliant than level reliant. Which allows them to be useful after coming out from lane that had 2 people on it.

That was not an intentional design but was discovered to be the case which locked them into being bot lane with a support. Some major changes will be needed to kill that part of the meta.

Masala ChaiApr 24, 20182 votes

That would cause supports to be incentivized to roam or not lane botside at all.

Painted CeltApr 24, 20181 votes

What is wrong with supports roaming?

Masala ChaiApr 24, 20181 votes

There is nothing wrong with that, but the issue is that then supports don't get the EXP that they need because the ADC will pressure the support to stay away from bot.

Painted CeltApr 25, 20181 votes

How about this?

Only one support starter item item 3301 item 3302 item 3303 can be purchased per team. Support starter items cannot be purchased along with jungle items item 1041 item 1039 . For the first 15 seconds of the match, only the person in the support role can purchase a support starter item, after which someone else is allowed to instead (in case the support and someone traded roles in the lobby).

Each lane has a new object added to it: a shrine. Each shrine is positioned near the outer-most intact allied turret in the lane. The shrines passively collect and store 15% of XP and gold from enemy minions dying in the lane they are in. The XP is only collected if the person with the support item is not in range to ambiently collect minion XP. Lane gold is collected and stored regardless. If a turret is destroyed, the shrine is destroyed along with it and a new shrine activates at the new outer-most intact allied turret in the lane. When a shrine is destroyed, 30% of the uncollected gold and XP is lost while the rest carries over to the new active shrine. The inhibitor turret shrines are not destroyed with their turrets. When a champion with a support starter item visits a shrine, they are granted the stored XP and gold in the form of passive charges (favor, spoils of war, tribute) which then provide the resources via the support item minigames. If this would take the support above the maximum number of support item passive charges (which could be increased from current), then they're granted any remainder of XP and gold directly instead. Support items no longer generate passive charges without collecting from the shrines. The shrines also generate the ward recharges for completed item 3069 item 3401 item 3092 , refilling at a guaranteed steady rate.

Split XP could be changed so that the bonus 30% total is only applied when the person with a support item is present, and the bonus XP goes entirely to the non-support(s). So the non-support XP cut would be 80% whether the support is in their lane or not. The support would gain 50% XP while duo and would need to collect the remaining 30% from their shrines in order to match the 80% base level of primary laners. So now that XP is being partially shared with the support whether they are in the lane or not, the support no longer creates a significant XP deficit by splitting a lane. Furthermore, the support is now encouraged to roam in order to collect from their shrines and they will no longer fall far behind by roaming. If they could time their roams perfectly to frequently split XP from big minion waves, they could out-level other champions (it will depend on factors like if the jungle visits lanes at the same time), but they will fall a bit behind if they time their roams poorly or when they lose uncollected XP and gold when an allied turret is destroyed (probably inevitable).

Laners and supports can then be balanced around the new support XP system. Mobile supports or level-dependent supports could be nerfed if the roaming high-XP support meta benefits them too much and supports that poorly match the new meta could be buffed.

Masala ChaiApr 25, 20181 votes

Ah yes, and let's have a trolling solo laner instapickup a support item while making another minigame wahooo

Painted CeltApr 25, 20181 votes

Which is why the support queued player has 15 seconds to purchase a support item before anyone else is allowed to. Besides, there isn't much point in not adding features just because griefers could abuse them to frustrate their team. If a griefer is dedicated to losing or making the game miserable then they will find a way no matter what.

The shrines would be pretty unintrusive. You'd just walk by them once in a while to pick up your gold and xp. There wouldn't be any game around contesting them really. They'd just be reminders to roam once in a while when you would normally head out to ward, and an incentive to help defend allied turrets.

The one thing that does occur to me now is that csing with a support item would need to be penalized or else a carry role might take it to passively earn gold while occasionally swapping lanes to pick up the stored resources. Perhaps it would be enough to make it so that if the support item owner takes CS with nearby allies then there is simply no 30% bonus duo xp awarded which would make it inefficient for the team for total resources.

Irelia BotApr 25, 20181 votes

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That would cause supports to be incentivized to roam or not lane botside at all.

Good.

When i play support I want to roam and not be expected to stay bot lane for the first 10 to 20 minutes.

Masala ChaiApr 25, 20181 votes

And lose all EXP? If you want support to be about supporting your jungler, sure that would be more doable, but you'll need a source of EXP, especially since junglers have slower EXP gains than laners.

Irelia BotApr 25, 20181 votes

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And lose all EXP? If you want support to be about supporting your jungler, sure that would be more doable, but you'll need a source of EXP, especially since junglers have slower EXP gains than laners.

Support items could easily be adjusted to have some kind of catchup exp system that requires higher level allies nearby for it to work. If memory servers correctly Nidalee has or at least had something like that for allies.

TeCoolMageApr 24, 20181 votes

tbh lethality shouldn't work on autos at all so AD assassins will be about abilities

Snowman ArcApr 24, 20181 votes

Well, I don't think this will change much. Assuming that critical strike chance becomes a factor after they get around 50% crit chance, it's gonna take about level 13 for it to have any real effect. At that stage, the old values will be almost the same as in your suggestion (like a 10% damage reduction overall), which wouldn't really solve the problem of bursty ADCs.

If anything, the healthiest crit mechanic is the one Ashe has. It removes any RNG from the damage output and places it on a less-crucial factor of the passive slow.