Because his small GU was overperforming? Why not just give him a VGU or complete overhaul than instead of this fucking bullshit that also affects other champions I play time to time?
I mean I've been fiddling for days and none of this shit works on Singed to such an extent I think it was only put in place to get him, because no one else is affected at all.
ModThe Djinn6 votesTry Resolve/Inspiration.
Those will provide a lot of pushing power and durability. Then maybe grab Inspiration for bonus minion damage and/or free boots with bonus movement speed?
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ModThe Djinn3 votes{quoted}Look Silver, when I say something is wrong with Singed, you should trust my word to some degree. And this isn't just wrong, it's unplayable status. Notice I haven't actually played in days and just idling in Practice Tool? Because I take the time to do that shit and care?
Amusingly, rank-shaming doesn't actually help, especially when the person you're talking to A: only has 15 Ranked games, and B: duo's with their friend and takes Ranked pretty lightly. It's pretty clear I don't put much stock in ranked, so it seems odd to use my half-assed ranked statistics against me. :P
But sure. If you don't want thoughts, suggestions, or recommendations, that's fine. You do you. It might be helpful to just tell us that then. <3
ryona1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ERJXWAZ5,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2017-11-09T17:55:11.904+0000)
Amusingly, rank-shaming doesn't actually help, especially when the person you're talking to A: only has 15 Ranked games, and B: duo's with their friend and takes Ranked pretty lightly. It's pretty clear I don't put much stock in ranked, so it seems odd to use my half-assed ranked statistics against me. :P
But sure. If you don't want thoughts, suggestions, or recommendations, that's fine. You do you. It might be helpful to just tell us that then. <3
It does because you doubt my claims on a champion I have been playing since Season 2 on quite a competent level since.
Your claims and keystone suggestions are all incorrect. I did all the testing and can assure you nothing works. That is irrefutable, but I'm still plagued with doubt over the validity of the claim of this whole system being in place to kill Singed specifically because Riot is too seedy nowadays to answer such things compared to long before where they outright expressed their contempt for certain champions (
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TTK Dreadnought4 votesYour claims and keystone suggestions are all incorrect. I did all the testing and can assure you nothing works.
If you can assure us, nothing works, then make a post that goes in-depth on the situation rather than just face planting the keyboard.
Which runes have you tried the most? What did you like, what didnt you like? Doing such blanket statements dont help your argument, even with the ranking/mastery ego. Honestly, i play singed quite poorly even before, so i am curious about what he needs now and why things aren't working for him.
ryona1 votes[{quoted}](name=TTK Techno,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ERJXWAZ5,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-09T18:22:54.585+0000)
If you can assure us, nothing works, then make a post that goes in-depth on the situation rather than just face planting the keyboard.
Which runes have you tried the most? What did you like, what didnt you like? Doing such blanket statements dont help your argument, even with the ranking/mastery ego. Honestly, i play singed quite poorly even before, so i am curious about what he needs now and why things aren't working for him.
Because most people are Silver - Bronze they wouldn't understand anything I go into detail about or take the time to read it.
Remember even at my worst days, I speak from a strictly Diamond perspective (I have never stooped to Platinum level even from decay)
TTK Dreadnought3 votesBecause most people are Silver - Bronze they wouldn't understand anything I go into detail about or take the time to read it.
Remember even at my worst days, I speak from a strictly Diamond perspective (I have never stooped to Platinum level even from decay)
I believe its upwards to 80% of the playerbase is under gold so i can understand what you mean. Myself i didnt have much time to play a lot of rank this year so G5 was all i bothered to get (although my MMR reflected G2 for most of the period).
Also, i believe most of Riots playtest group are diamond ranks, so even if 80% of the player base doesnt understand to the same extent, there's still the other 20%. In addition to Riots Diamond Playtesters who would understand your perspective more easily.
TTK Dreadnought1 votesBecause most people are Silver - Bronze they wouldn't understand anything I go into detail about or take the time to read it.
Remember even at my worst days, I speak from a strictly Diamond perspective (I have never stooped to Platinum level even from decay)
With up to 80% of the playerbase being below gold, i understand that. I only got G5 simply due to time and computer constraints although my MMR shows as G3-G2 most of the time.
There's the remaining 20% who have a better understanding of the situation based on what you say. In addition, Riots playtest group are mostly Diamond rank so they should grasp what your issue is if given the explanation.
You're a fan of colossus mainly and i completely feel that aftershock is trash compared to it. Damage is nice, but id rather have the shield than the bonus resists and thats just in the elo i play at. And there's no DFT replacement. Grasp is the better option as far as keystones, and while i can see Phaserush as a possibility, Singed doesnt gain anything else from the Sorcery tree (stacking lower ult CD isnt really needed. There's nothing he really gets from predatory except a boot enchantment since he cant get the magic pen from the rune. Precision has some interesting possibilities, not in the keystones but rather in the Legends runes (tenacity, HP on takedowns, bonus damage).
Kleptomancy is interesting as his Q is a toggle. Debt could have some use. The summonerbook has cheese potential.
In my opinion, Grasp and Spellbook are the best options. But not the most optimal.
ryona1 votes[{quoted}](name=TTK Techno,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ERJXWAZ5,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-11-09T19:13:41.909+0000)
With up to 80% of the playerbase being below gold, i understand that. I only got G5 simply due to time and computer constraints although my MMR shows as G3-G2 most of the time.
There's the remaining 20% who have a better understanding of the situation based on what you say. In addition, Riots playtest group are mostly Diamond rank so they should grasp what your issue is if given the explanation.
You're a fan of colossus mainly and i completely feel that aftershock is trash compared to it. Damage is nice, but id rather have the shield than the bonus resists and thats just in the elo i play at. And there's no DFT replacement. Grasp is the better option as far as keystones, and while i can see Phaserush as a possibility, Singed doesnt gain anything else from the Sorcery tree (stacking lower ult CD isnt really needed. There's nothing he really gets from predatory except a boot enchantment since he cant get the magic pen from the rune. Precision has some interesting possibilities, not in the keystones but rather in the Legends runes (tenacity, HP on takedowns, bonus damage).
Kleptomancy is interesting as his Q is a toggle. Debt could have some use. The summonerbook has cheese potential.
In my opinion, Grasp and Spellbook are the best options. But not the most optimal.
No, I was not a fan of Colossus, I was using that Keystone for some time before the season ended along with Bond of Stone sometimes in anticipation for pre-season because I knew DFT was no longer going to exist.
DFT was crucial to playing Singed and now it no longer exists because Riot wants to kill Singed, one of the Keystone's poster boys. Magic Penetration Reds were also vital for a champion that would obviously not want items with it at large, but also only deals magic damage.
Summoner Spell cooldowns were all moved to that mostly troll Inspiration tree, severely neutralizing success through macro (if you know what that means: it is knowing what to do and where to be at all times) if you were not successful in lane or need something impactful to happen. You could go Inspiration for this alone, but the sadistic choice here is to then go Sorcery, as it has 4% MS (you cannot play Singed without movement speed quints, ever). But if you opt for these options, you are deprived of the defensive options now all in the Resolve tree, leaving you open season for the massively buffed 
cancer.
Do you understand anything I typed?
Shiznyte1 voteswell said Djinn!
warpenguin5555 votesWhy the hell would they make a massive change to the way league works just to gut 1 champion? Oh yeah, they wouldn't
no mechanics ape1 votesKeystones were this way after Colossus was nerfed. Singed is just too unique for "blanket" solutions like keystones to help him.
Cocho1 votesNothing worked that well on him before lol.
Quepha1 votesAftershock is easy to proc and makes him insanely tanky. Arcane Comet synergizes well with his Q and run style, especially when he finishes Rylai's. I could also see Fleet Footwork or Predator being good choices on him.
His winrate has not changed dramatically since the patch and is still well into the positives, so it appears that some people have figured out how to win games as Singed even if you haven't.
Mushkai1 votesSummoner's spellbook works well with him. Being able to change summoners is useful is many situations but most importantly it significantly reduces summoner spell cooldowns, allowing you to ghost and teleport much more frequently. Heck grab smite at one point to secure objectives later in the game. Inspiration tree is really good to him. Running unflinching from resolved will boost your tenacity when using ghost making you more slippery, add conditioning for tankyness or Second Wind for sustain and you're set to ruin your enemies' day. Honestly, Singed is fine.
Calabok1 votesLOL*[zombie-brand-facepalm]*