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The Karma Rework is Not Working Out

Winterkill··7 votes·1,858 views

Gosh, I wonder why the Karma rework is not working out? Meddler promised us a revert and nothing got reverted. This is the first big rework done to her in 5 years. Most Karma players wanted old Karma and her fans back. Karma players wanted her to be more like a mage and not a support. Karma's art and thematic problems didn't get addressed. Finally, Karma still doesn't have a gameplay identity. If people don't believe me when I say it, I will post some links below where all of the changes have received negative attention.

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/9r1abh/karma_gameplay_change_preview/ https://www.reddit.com/r/karmamains/comments/9r19d1/karma_gameplay_change_preview/ https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/TkiBEVYV-karma-gameplay-change-preview

The ball is in your court, Riot Game Developers. The comments and critiques basically all say the same thing: bring back the fans, bring back the old Q and Mantra Q, bring back clothesline mehcanic on W and Mantra W, and bring back Shield Bomb. WAIT?! Is that her old kit? Shocker. THIS IS THE DIVIDE YOU CREATED FOR NOT ADDRESSING A CHAMPION WITH NOTABLE PROBLEMS FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS. You priortized work on Ryze, new champions, popular champions, and Ezreal for the past 5 years. When you finally get around to working on Karma and don't live up to our expectations, of course you are going to get backlash. You know what we wanted and you didn't live up to that, like you didn't 5 years ago with the relaunch that created more problems than good.

Leave Karma alone until you can be bothered to give us what we want. Sorry but not sorry. If you are so gun hoe on creating a champion with Mass AoE shields, why don't you create a new champion? Wait, didn't you tell us that when you took away everything that Karma players want back on her? laughs

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Ravenhale3 votes

My go to with enchanters has been Lulu for quite some time. Since most of them tend to do the same things, it comes down to either which one has the best numbers or which one is the most fun to play with. And even when Lulu doesn't have the strongest numbers, I will still pick her over the others as she is the chattiest and silliest of the bunch and I need to be amused. I pretty much have to be completely bored with Lulu to pick Karma... assuming I'm going to pick an enchanter at all. And if I'm in a non Lulu mood, it's probably "I want to do stupid healing" (Soraka) or "I want to be the fastest thing on the map" (Janna) or "I want to spend the next forty minutes in fear of being one shot by everything that looks in my direction" (Sona) or whatever it is that crosses my mind when I pick Nami (probably when I want Sona without the terror of being Sona). I have no idea why I randomly pick Karma at times other than, "I want to see my Order of the Lotus skin". And that feeling of wanting to pick a champ for a reason... I don't think I'm going to get that with Fans or Spirit Bomb. I don't think I'm going to get that with cutting the CDR down on another champion's basic abilities, or trying to imitate the mana battery function Soraka used to have. Heck, I probably won't even get it with my proposed AD/AP buff, because I know that's unimaginative and will only matter if the numbers are strong.

But whatever. I'm not a Karma main, and I really shouldn't be the target audience of a rework unless Riot is wanting to increase Karma's fanbase.

Frosted Tips2 votes

I would legit be fine with her being played 7p% support and 30% mid, but Riot with these changes want to make her 100% a support and gut her entire solo lane idea. If I had to decide between what they are trying to do and a full revert I would rather have the revert. I still think the revert has issues especially with her old passive and her old W not having a root at the end, but it is 100% better than this garbage they are pushing onto the Karma player base. I will probably never play her after she gets changed if these go through.

Eleshakai1 votes

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The ball is in your court, Riot Game Developers. The comments and critiques basically all say the same thing: bring back the fans, bring back the old Q and Mantra Q, bring back clothesline mehcanic on W and Mantra W, and bring back Shield Bomb. WAIT?! Is that her old kit? Shocker.

The critiques (from the .1% of people who played and loved Old Karma) all say that.

People who like the theme of the new Karma but just think she could be refined a bit are simply content and are not commenting. Please stop acting like we don't exist just because we're not whining up a storm.

Winterkill4 votes

Hm. Yeah. Totes. All the negative feedback means nothing right?

Eleshakai1 votes

Negative feedback absolutely means something. However, a lot of fans of old Karma(yourself included) act like fans of NEW Karma are worthless and mean nothing and that attitude is not only rude and dismissive, but actually hurts your arguments because it makes you look unreasonable.

Frosted Tips3 votes

The problem with new Karma more so than anything is that she has had her balance all focused towards her support role. That is what pisces everyone off more than anything. This is just another case of that.

Eleshakai1 votes

The problem I have is words like 'everyone' being used.

I bet people who love support Karma aren't pissed off.

Speak for yourself, not for 'everyone'.

jocomotion2 votes

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The problem I have is words like 'everyone' being used.

I bet people who love support Karma aren't pissed off.

Speak for yourself, not for 'everyone'.

Yeah I’m not really pissed here, the most annoying thing is honestly the actual W interaction with allies, and putting more damage on RQ of all things. All my other reactions have been between ‘meh’ and ‘nice’

Elegant Egoistic1 votes

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The critiques (from the .1% of people who played and loved Old Karma) all say that.

People who like the theme of the new Karma but just think she could be refined a bit are simply content and are not commenting. Please stop acting like we don't exist just because we're not whining up a storm.

u literally dnt exist..playing new karma for no more than 2 years doesnt make u a priority...all those who prone the passive supp karma are just the result of huge mistakes done with her 1st rework

Eleshakai1 votes

see... this attitude is why Riot doesn't take you as seriously as you'd like. Your disregard for others and intense selfishness makes it hard to believe you'd EVER be satisfied by anything, and thus makes it easier to simply ignore you. Especially given how few of you there are.

Elegant Egoistic1 votes

Its been 5 years (now almost 6), attitudes are taken into consideration perhaps but never taken seriously, otherwise all these issues would've been resolved...the massive backlash there cannot be simply denied, we are not few, but fewer than u simply cuz they never cease to dump us and they're not admitting their mistakes with her 2013 fail relaunch...I admit I still feel salty about it but when I see someone who poorly intreagues and argues in a despicable way to belittle wht some ppl are wishing for and so desperate to have, that's how will my response look like, i'm not sorry for it and u're not a rioter..besides, I wouldnt call this selfishness since it is a right to call for what mage karma mains want for this champ who was never destined to be a supp in the 1st place, and after all the wait they push her further to the supp role just to please a "majority" and call tht work ethic...pls dnt talk to me about attitudes.

Eleshakai1 votes

The only people I'm belittling are the people who pretend the current fans don't exist. There are many people who like old Karma who are respectful enough to recognize that there is a significant group of people who like how she is now, and make their requests understanding and acknowledging that. Then there are the people who come in where saying things like 'you literally don't exist'.

Group A, I have nothing negative to say about, and I sincerely and genuinely hope that a champ gets made that fits what they want to make them happy without taking anything away from anyone else. Group B, however, are whiny entitled brats who twist the truth to try to get what they want at the expense of others. As I'm a decent person, I still hope they get something that makes them happy without taking anything from others... but the vindictive side of me thinks they're getting what they deserve by being ignored.

Elegant Egoistic1 votes

None said tht karma needs to be fully and blindfully reverted, this GU has given u a new utility thing and none was against it, but the real problem is tht mage karma players literally waited for nothing at all, u cant kno the feeling because u didnt play old karma, u have no idea how much dread and frustration old mains are feeling, so their harsh reaction is justified, and after all, all they're asking about is the infamous shield bomb, they're not twisting the truth because thts the truth, u wouldnt aknowledge karma better than them since they've played the old and the new one..the harshness and the negativity they're expressing is a result of some mistakes made in her relaunch, they've tried all the means but nothing pretty works with the devs crew..I dnt care wht u think abt them, all the judgements u've listed there are soundless to me..see they're catering with u and spoiling these new mains now wht do u want more and better than this ?

Eleshakai1 votes

But... I did play old Karma - I still have the classic Karma skin. I just didn't LIKE old Karma that much because she felt like a really poorly designed mismatch of ideas better suited for different classes.

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