So, Viktor is now one of the lowest winrate champions gold to master.

Risen29··9 votes·1,453 views

I was a Viktor fan since I started playing. He was my first favorite champion (I started playing after his rework). I enjoyed playing him when he was unpopular, and pros had not discovered how good he was.

However, I no longer have much desire to play him.

His reliable damage was nerfed by putting most of it in the aftershock of his E. Items he depends on for nailing his damage were nerfed (Rylais). His powerspikes from his hexcore was nerfed, which nullifies a lot of the benefit you got from having it. His R is trash now, low damage in long pulses. No longer a reliable way of securing kills because of slower speed and lower damage.

What does he really have left? I don't think people really understood all that Viktor gave up for that burst damage. He is one of the worst duelists in the game, barely able to survive if caught out or dived on. He is entirely based around his Q and E to contribute anything to a teamfight, and his E can be difficult to hit and has a long cooldown - so you might only get one spell rotation before the fight is over, and you might not be able to hit the enemies that matter the most with maximum damage. Your W is nice, but not the biggest amount of utility unless it stuns, but that's unreliable (especially without rylais), and it has a long cooldown so you get one shot during a teamfight.

Viktor is in a weird position with regards to his design that makes it difficult to fit in. -You use to deal great burst damage on a long cooldown, which makes you good at assassinating other mages or ADCs, but you lack the mobility/survivability/CC that would make you good at doing that. -You aren't picked primarily for your CC/utility. Your W has value as a response to an enemy team engage, but you get one shot, and it's really the only thing you have. It's not reliable or available or flexible enough to be what you bank on contributing. -You have the potential for long range and high damage, which makes you potentially good for poke and siege, but your E is on such a long cooldown that you can't cycle enough to be a good poker while still having your E in reserve to deal with a diving assassin or engagement. -Q is your most reliable and fasting recharging form of damage, but you often can't survive getting that close unless the enemy is distracted on someone else. -You're not a good roaming ganker from midlane. Lacking speed and reliable CC. -You don't really blow up teamfights the way other mages do, because tanks can shrug you off and you only get one burst in most cases; and you might not be able to get to the ADC/assassins/supports to make the most of it. Being able to hit more than one player, especially with your aftershock, while rewarding, just doesn't seem worth all the other downsides you put up with.

Are you early game? Not with your hexcore and E waveclearing powerspikes removed. Are you mid game? Doing what exactly? You aren't a good roamer. You're not the best teamfighting APC mage for midgame either. Your over-reliance on items cripples you at this stage if you're not ahead. Are you late game? Your high cooldown and unreliability on E makes you a decent poker but not that great. You can't burn through a lot of magic resist and HP, even with full items, because your spells are high cooldown one shots. You get blown up quickly so it's difficult to execute your combos, you may not be able to get to the enemy ADC or APC with your spells without getting dived on.

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wishbone253 votes

if you suck with him that is your win rate

Risen292 votes

Lolking: 47-45% winrate globally in gold to master. One of the lowest.

That doesn't happen by accident.

Big Lincoln2 votes

I haven't played Viktor since the second rework turned him from an all-around pick to a burst mage that relied on Rylais to be good

I had a feeling he would either be god tier or dumpster depending on how that item got balanced and look where we are now

i wish he was more about strong zoning power than just dumping your whole combo onto somebody. he didn't even need the rework; Viktor was overtuned in season 5, sure, but he still had one of the healthiest kits of any mage

Risen291 votes

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I haven't played Viktor since the second rework turned him from an all-around pick to a burst mage that relied on Rylais to be good

I had a feeling he would either be god tier or dumpster depending on how that item got balanced and look where we are now

i wish he was more about strong zoning power than just dumping your whole combo onto somebody. he didn't even need the rework; Viktor was overtuned in season 5, sure, but he still had one of the healthiest kits of any mage

I think Viktor was balanced around the idea that he wasn't building Rylais, but once the top players started doing it that became standard build. It added a lot of utility and functionality to his kit. Augmenting his lack of survivability with slows that enabled him to poke safer. Giving him more team utility even if he can't land kills, but also increasing the chance that he would land kills and stuns.

But rebalancing him around it also screwed him over, especially after lowering it's AP and slow effectiveness. You use to be able to land his aftershock without rylais, but now you need it. You use to do better damage if you only hit them with one pass, but now you need to land the aftershock. You use to be able to rely on his AP power spikes and raw damage to be useful for your team, but now your smoother scaling means you further have no choice but to take rylais in order to gain survivability and team utility. You use to be able to powerspike thanks to your hex core, but now you are actually severely delayed in your ability to "come online" because you have to achieve both a rylais and an upgraded hexcore just to be on par (not even to be powerspiked). So your hexcore becomes a liability rather than a boon - you need it, but you also need to rush rylais. Lacking either one is going to cripple you. Before, you use to be able to rush hexcore and be in a solid place, and you could safely regard rylais as a luxury item if you had a decent team around you.

Shadòw2 votes

like he is any weak

and he has more than 49% winrate Plat+

Risen292 votes

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like he is any weak

and he has more than 49% winrate Plat+

Wrong. 46% plat. Lolking, Ranked, All Regions, Monthly timespan. Number 12 on lowest winrate.

Even worse is Diamond - He's 45% and number 7 lowest winrate.

You have to go down to silver before he's no longer in the top 15 lowest winrate champions.

Normals aren't as good an indicator of real performance as ranked, because people aren't always trying to win there and are less likely to understand how to use their champion.

Shadòw1 votes
Risen291 votes

I clarified in my post: I wasn't a fair-weather Viktor player that jumped on once high elo players discovered how powerful he was. I was playing him back when he was very unpopular and unknown.

But they've taken away the playstyle I use to love about him, a playstyle that didn't include Rylais. And they've left him mediocre even with it.

Matake1 votes

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I was a Viktor fan since I started playing.

I'm gonna stop you right there. If you played Viktor at his release you'd know he was in a pretty bad spot. He went through a lot of hell to get to where he is right now. He used to be a supremely mobile support mage. He could kite you for days and just trololol away. Now he's far from it. He's just a burst champion with some utility.

Matake1 votes

Ok I went from tl;dr to skimming through the thread.

I now support you. +1

Risen291 votes

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I'm gonna stop you right there. If you played Viktor at his release you'd know he was in a pretty bad spot. He went through a lot of hell to get to where he is right now. He used to be a supremely mobile support mage. He could kite you for days and just trololol away. Now he's far from it. He's just a burst champion with some utility.

Reading comprehension failure on your part. I said I was a fan of viktor since I started playing - I didn't say I started playing at Viktor's release.

grug1 votes

ryze has like 43% lul.

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