Honestly, it just feels really bad playing AP champions now. Especially, the non burst champions like Viktor, Vel koz, Ziggs.etc
All i see in mid lane is
YOU KNOW... ASSASSINS.
Viktor doesn't burst now all of a sudden?
Guess I missed that.
Mages are not weak power-wise. They still deal a lot of damage. The problem is that they don't have a lot of agency over the game. What you need to win in soloQ is proactivity. Being pro active and making plays from the beginning of the game, be that through jungle pressure, lane priority, roaming, solo kills etc. That's how you create advantageous situations for yourself and can then proceed to help out your team, so, if they are struggling, you can pull the game back.
With mages like Viktor, who I mained in season 6, you don't really have that. Your early laning phase is good, but apart from that, you don't have anything going on. Viktor is strong until level 3, and then he has mana issues until he gets his first upgrade, his level 6 isn't that strong compared to others, he can't 1v1 anyone early, he can't skirmish early, he can't roam to help out a struggling team. He can only sit mid, spam waveclear to deny the enemy laner and try to stall up to the point where he has 3-4 items (25-30 minutes) where he can really start doing some work. The thing is, by that point, the game will probably already be decided.
Let me put this into perspective. Assume you are someone like Zed mid and your bottom lane is struggling, maybe they are behind a couple kills, some cs etc. At level 6-7, you are offered the opportunity to shove a wave and then roam bot. Your ultimate is a pretty good tool to secure at least one kill, considering that your bottom lane will assist. This can put a stall on the enemy bot lane snowball, and slightly bring your bot lane back into play. Let's now assume I'm Viktor, and my bot lane is struggling. Sure, I can shove in the wave and look for a roam bot, but I don't have as much mobility as Zed, but more importantly, I don't have the damage needed to 100% secure a kill. Sure, I can relieve some pressure, maybe they burn a flash or something, but still, nothing of value was granted. At the same time, I might probably miss some cs in my lane, which is crucial. An early - mid game champion like Zed can afford to lose out on some cs, if it means a roam will be successful and the team gets advantages elsewhere. A late game champion like Viktor can't afford that. They need all the cs they can get so that they reach their late game status asap.
There are a lot of drawbacks that make mages kinda unviable right now. The game pace is so fast, that only a handful of niche mages can be played and that's because they offer other things as well, like Taliyah.
I think mages are fine, people tend to think they're weak when it's more a mages work goes unnoticed until you look at the damage screen at the end of the game, then you see they do more work then people think.
They do half the damage of AD champs (if even that), have no sustain, no real keystone, can't even tickle tanks, they can't build tanky if behind and still be meaningful, they have hard resource gates, they have long cooldowns...
You may as well be trolling if you pick a non-assassin AP champ. Even some AP assassins aren't even worth picking right now, like Nid.
Ziggss and Vel are non burst? You know Vel does true dmg right?
Have people gone blind to the endless Lux buffs? The fuck?
Ironically Zed's been in the spotlight with every buffs he's gotten. Meanwhile Lux is in the shadows with all of her endless buffs being secretly OP, making gains on peoples LP and her Winrate.
Depends. I think tear mages got shafted but the other mages might be fine.
Battle mages in particular do not feel good right now. Most of them had no favorable keystone so many just used spell book. But now spell book sucks ass.
Sorcery tree needs a new keystone and some minor runes in it should be swapped around.
viktor is a nonburst champ what? q lichbane e 1shots later on
Accidentally voted slightly OP, I think they're trash now which get run down like animals by 0 item tanks. The tank meta never ends, people are busy asking for ADCs to be gutted while tanks are the issue.
i fail to see how viktor ziggs and velkoz is non burst. a Cause can be made for velkoz except that where he would have and should have lost damage he is supplimented with true damage where the damage he would have lost is made up for more value because it ignores magic resist.
It just so happens that these guys that counter mages are very popular, so that makes laning rather unpleasant in most games, and to a slightly lesser extent also the rest of the match. But, at least according to statistics, mages' power levels are pretty alright. Only Taliyah, Viktor and Syndra seem to need some love, and there's also Azir and Ryze that still suffer from being so godly in pro that they have to be garbage in soloQ. The class as a whole isn't necessarily in a bad spot, it's just some individual champions with problems of their own.
Some of them are meta, some are decent, i think very few are ACTUALLY bad. They just arent pick or ban. Assassins are VERY good in soloq right now. But when i play mages i never think "Wow i cant do anything" or "i do no damage"
I can’t say underpowered.... unless it’s 
or 
. I’m stuck between fine and a bit weak though.
Even Annie feels shit to play rn, I'm an Annie main and I've never tried so hard to win games in my life...
The unique stuff mages bring (potentially higher area of impact, delayed AoE for kiting, etc) doesn't mean much with how manic the game is right now.
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I wouldn't really know, been playing ARAM only for the last few weeks due to my champion pool being slowly murdered throughout the season
I though you meant supports-that-used-to-be-mages :P
What the fuck is non-burst mage? I think i never heard of one :
Could it be those guys? 
Just play 
and permanantly roam all game
Nyarlathοtep5/7/2018, 7:16:59 AMIt depends. If dont fall behind im actually quite fine. But if i do fall behind, oh boi. Im going to be useless for quite a long thanks to the increased cost on the Lost chapter.
