Nerf Kayn already

Glîtchy·Jul 18, 2017·5 votes·4,002 views

Seriously the fuck is this damage? 1 Youmuu's and that's all he needs to burst in his "non-DMG" form, just wtf riot

24 Comments

Winters DawnJul 18, 20177 votes

Kayn isn't even that strong.

GlîtchyJul 18, 20172 votes

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Kayn isn't even that strong.

then explain how he does stupid amounts with ONLY Youmuu's in his "non-dmg" form

GiveMeUrMilkJul 18, 20175 votes

He doest have a non dmg form. Its jyat one form is better at killing tanks than the other. They kill squishies just fine regardless of form.

JoxcabJul 18, 20172 votes

Because 1, he doesn't do that much, and 2, he doesn't have a non-damage form.

GlîtchyJul 18, 20171 votes

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Because 1, he doesn't do that much, and 2, he doesn't have a non-damage form.

So why do people call it that?

JoxcabJul 19, 20172 votes

No one calls it that except you.

GlîtchyJul 19, 20171 votes

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No one calls it that except you.

several kayn players in-game called it that, smart-ass

GaliöJul 19, 20171 votes

No one calls it that. If anything they'd call one the assassin form and the other bruiser.

And bruisers do a lot of damage.

BeatzBoyFTWJul 18, 20174 votes

Most of the Kayns that I've played with/against usually just feeds their ass off.

Zombie SlayerJul 18, 20173 votes

Thats not really Kayns fault its more of Riot fucking up lethality again

GlîtchyJul 18, 20172 votes

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Thats not really Kayns fault its more of Riot fucking up lethality again

but the fact he can utilize it while having an escape, an unstoppable ult and all that shit without building more than 2 items is retarded, seriously anyone who plays Kayn should uninstall.

Zombie SlayerJul 18, 20171 votes

Well alot of champions can utilize it and have escapes its just the fact that hes a new champion and people arent aware of how to counter him yet

GlîtchyJul 18, 20171 votes

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Well alot of champions can utilize it and have escapes its just the fact that hes a new champion and people arent aware of how to counter him yet

there is no effective counter, he can even do that damned wall thing through veigar stun, tested it with a friend who has him.

CLdude2013Jul 18, 20172 votes

No he cant

GlîtchyJul 18, 20171 votes

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No he cant

Then explain how it happened

CLdude2013Jul 18, 20172 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExR7xmGgab0&feature=youtu.be It just doesn't work

GlîtchyJul 18, 20171 votes

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExR7xmGgab0&feature=youtu.be It just doesn't work

So explain why it happened when I did it.

CLdude2013Jul 18, 20171 votes

A bug? Idk i cant say anything without evidence from you

CalabokJul 18, 20172 votes

cant upvote enough

Critmaster GarenJul 18, 20171 votes

the champion is legit garbage.

there is 0 reason to pick him when you can pick champions that actually have an early game and dont need 3 items to perform just less than mediocre.

people are so fucking stubborn too. you tell them hes bad and they just dont belive you until they go 1/6. and even then theyre still arguing.

JueVioleSeonJul 21, 20173 votes

Here's my problem. Blue is okay, no real big deal here. Just feels like a Rengar in the terms of burst. His Movementspeed is a little insane with E/Mobi/Youmu though, and the CD can be a little insane. Here is my problem, "Red" Kayn, Rzaart or whatever, passive is around 48% all damage from spells is HP. That's a little strong if combined with spirit visage and lets not even talk about the ult which heals (in my case I'll say he has youmous, steralk, Maw, reg boots as it doens't matter in the math, Duskblade, and Death's dance) So around 200~ Bonus AD if not more with runes and other shit. Each 100 bonus damage is 13 % more hp, so about 26% plus the 10% extra. I would be fine if this was just raw damage, but instead it's MAXIMUM HP (36% hp with one move? Holy shit, even with armor that's still fucking insane) and he heals all of this damage. If this is used on anyone not a tank, lets say your average adc with a high armor value of 100 at level 18 and they have about 1.7K hp 1.7K*.36 is 612 damage and he heals 612 as well. Plus whatever else he did with Q/W which is even more hp. Armor doesn't even matter for the ultimate because it's before the damage is reduced by armor. (forgot to but that in.) Then, yes you can say you can get Mortal Reminder, but Gravious wounds only lasts 3 seconds. If the Kayn does it right, he can avoid this entire thing in his ult and get that 612 or so hp. (His ult lasts a maxmium of 2.5 so it wouldn't be too hard when the ADC's or Mages aren't fully built or have easy spam spells to proc Gravious)

See my problem? His mid-late game is beyond strong, and his shitty earlygame still isn't that bad if he gets 1/2 kills early without dying.

GaliöJul 19, 20171 votes

Kayn is alright and an interesting champ. Not really overpowered. Just situationally annoying. People like chogath, Malzahar and janna are over powered at the moment.. and people don't even play any of them that much.

Popularity doesn't mean strong, new doesn't mean strong and one game where you actually lost to one doesn't mean he is strong. Every game o played so far in multiple accounts. Maybe about 30 games.. I've seen him about 10 times, very rarely banned (Which is weird for a new champ and a 10 ban system) and I have not seen him win one game between my team or enemies.

NoFoiblesJul 21, 20171 votes

Alot of threads have been started asking kayn to be nerfed. the common theme is that some people think he needs buffs everyone else think he needs nerfs. idk why this discrepancy exists usually when a new champ comes out there is unanimous desire for it to be nerfed. i can only conclude that those asking for buffs already have kayn and haven't gotten to play him much as he is banned in almost every game. To those people, if he got nerfed youd be able to finally play him. If for any other reason you think he needs buffs, one only needs to youtube kayn to see every streamer, or player with a channel playing kayn and laughing while they repeat over and over "he's so busted" "omg hes so strong" and nightblue calls him the best jg in game no questions. If you think hes weak early game your right but thats why his preferred role is jg. that way you can wall glide your way past early game and begin killing the adc, the mid, and anyone else on there team not tank without much risk at all on your part. and if you go dharkin form you can kill the tanks too. what i think should be done is remove his healing on his wall walk entirely if he uses it to get out he shouldnt be able to heal and go right back in. his ult time should be decreased to last less time than zonyas. Even if you wait a second and use it, it only stops him once as next time he will just immediately pop his ult to deny you the oportunity to zonyas. other than that i dont think his damage is absurd just for squishies its enough without them having any ability to save themselves from his ult, and if he just wall walks he can come right back to kill the people that tried to peel him off of you which you cant short a thresh or blitzcrank. and even then if he gets in range to ult they cant help you hope you got a kayle i guess.