Critical Strike, Marksmen, and How To Rebalance Them.

Bonipherus··1 votes·318 views

Critical Strike:

Critical strike chance needs to be removed from the game. Nobody likes relying on rng in the first place but the nature of critical strikes on auto attacks provides so much damage in this game that it does legitimately lead from damage per second to burst per second. Marksmen need rebalanced away from this stat as it lets them delete squishies too easily when their main design focus is to take towers, kill front-line tanky champions, and help clean up fights from safe range.

I've seen people argue that critical strike should be an assassin stat but nobody wants their assassination to be reliant on rng so you'd need a prerequisite like Shaco backstab or Talon 3 hit passive to be fully proc'd before said crit would activate.

So, crits can work in the game if they are only found in certain champion kits, are conditional, and are not based on luck, but on skill.

Case in Point: Anivia and Karthus are mages who have a built-in, conditional "crits" and these mechanics often lead to some pretty interesting gameplay.

Items:

Reworking marksmen away from crit is going to take a massive amount of rebalancing but as far as items go they should offer a few basic things:

AD, attack speed, passives that take time to take effect (such as item 3124), item actives that provide noticeable mastery, % hp damage, % armor pen, and lifesteal

Marksmen should have some items with multiple of the above traits such as item 3153 as well as items that highly specialize in just one of these aspects i.e.item 3072's niche as the best lifesteal item.

Side note 1: item 3085's extra aa bolts should probably be removed to reinforce that marksmen are single-target dps and rebalanced to becoming the attack speed specialist item for marksmen.

Side note 2: item 3087 should still be an option for better waveclear but reworked to not be based around burst damage (idk like a reapplying but less powerful chain-lightning effect when attacking the same target after 4 times (2 for minions)?) (I'm just spitballing)

Lane:

I read a post a while ago that explained how Dota2 didn't have marksmen as mandatory team members. Excluding "turn around time" there were 2 main aspects from this post that noted why melee's had a better time against ranged characters in that game compared to this one.

The first is minion/creep aggro. Minions/creeps in that game are better at responding when a ranged hero attacks another hero. This punishes them more harshly in the laning phase when they go for that free harass on melee characters.

The second is tower range. Tower range in Dota2 is great enough that a melee champion can more effectively be safe from the pressures of ranged auto attacks.

The tower range option is not necessarily one that should be added to League and would require even more work to be done for the game but fixing creep/minion aggro should definitely be looked at.

Another problem not included in that thread (because it was not Dota2 specific) is creep block. I know the boards have had lengthy discussions over this subject but if just YOUR creeps didn't block you then that would go a long way towards helping melee champions deal with ranged champions because then they would not have to go around their minions as well as the enemy minions to reach their target.

General:

Note: I am not making any claims of "brokenness" or saying "X champ is op". This section is about marksmen kit health.

Marksmen auto attacks should still be their main damaging source over the course of a long fight but more emphasis should be placed on giving marksmen meaningful abilities to work in while they weave their auto attacks in between those abilities. It's more enjoyable for the player playing as the marksman, the players playing against them, as well as viewers at home.

Marksmen, like Jinx, who are almost completely reliant on auto attacks for their damage are fine to have in the game and often do have a fair to high amount of skill expression but often times these type of champions can feel non-interactive due to auto attacks being undodgeable. Example: When Twitch shows up from stealth and shoots you from 700 range before pressing e to kill you after a few shots rarely feels like an outplay.

Marksmen like Lucian, Varus, and Ezreal have skillshots that make them more interactive and outplayable due to that sole nature to their kits.

7 Comments

Rainfall2 votes

none of this is ever going to happen. there are 2 kinds of adc.autoattack based and ad casters. ad casters have higher range autoattack based adcs have critical chance. thats how the game works thats how it always worked.

Shahamut1 votes

Ummm Cait has the longest range aside from late game Tristana (both AA adcs) and Lucian has among the shortest range (ad caster)...????

Rainfall1 votes

varus q reaches further than caitlyns or tristanas or lucians autoattacks. ezreal q the same or close to the same jhin W corki R etc edit:lucian is not an ad caster ad casters dont have fervor as their primary keystone.

Shahamut1 votes

Lucian is 100% an AD caster. Spell rotations are how he gets his damage off what are you even talking about???

Shahamut1 votes

Jhin is not an AD caster, he is reliant on auto attacks alone for damage

Bonipherus1 votes

This post isn't claiming this is how the marksmen in the game currently function but how they should function so I'm not sure why you even bothered including the first and last parts.

All your statements are nonsensical as marksmen are not categorized in 2 ways. They are all just "Marksmen" and riot hasn't even given any subclass for them either. Your definitions for these 2 marksmen groups are sloppy and don't work anyway.

Rainfall1 votes

riot cannot classify marksmen into subclasses because their builds constantly change,marksmen have the fastest balance circles compared to the rest of the classes with the meta marksmen constantly changing. an example would be varus who a couple of months ago worked well with lethality as an ad caster but now is played with on hit items as an autoattack based champion.

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