Lane smite was a bad idea in general. The entire point of the Smite items is to provide meaningfully strong items to offset the machete early game. Giving it to laners as an option to simply buy the item outright broke it.

I have no idea why so many people hate lane Smite so much. It's a fun idea, and leads to some interesting alternate builds.

Imo, smite top was incredibly overrated.

into a better balanced version of for summoners rift.

Don't give Riot the idea of moving that spell to SR. It's not balanced for even ARAM.

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To be fair, the game was balanced around Flash being nearly mandatory. It was not balanced for the Top, Mid, and ADC all having TP.

I'd like Flash to be less mandatory as much as you, but it's not gonna happen.

how top mid and adc having tp completely break the balance of the game?

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To be fair, the game was balanced around Flash being nearly mandatory. It was not balanced for the Top, Mid, and ADC all having TP.

I'd like Flash to be less mandatory as much as you, but it's not gonna happen.

My noob opinion:

(1) I do like that Flash is strong, because it helps reduce the size of the mobility gap. Without Flash in the game, zero-mobility Champions would be even more screwed.

"Wait, how does more mobility reduce the mobility gap?" Well, think about it from a diminishing returns perspective.

Think about a game as presenting a series of Flash opportunities, where one can use Flash or another mobility option to gain some advantage: hopping over a wall to escape, or initiating a teamfight with a big CC ability, or whatever. This is rather artificial, but here's an example list, ranked in descending order of bang-per-dash:

• Flash-Tibbers initiate when they go for the first Baron: Wins a teamfight for your team
• Flash to steal Baron: Gets Baron for your team and helps you push down a tower
• Flash to kill their super-fed carry, though you'll die as well: Gives your team a fighting chance in that teamfight for their inhib
• Flash to escape a gank: Saves you from one death
• Flash to dodge Blitz hook: Assures a dodge, whereas otherwise there'd have been about a 30% chance you'd be caught
• Flash to gank a lane that's low: Lets you get a few more hits in and increases odds of a kill
• Flash because the enemy typed "press d to dance": Gives your team a laugh at your expense
• Flash into a wall: Makes your Champion wish they had a smarter Summoner

(I'm using Flash there, but really what I'm talking about is a "dash" or "blink", whether from Flash or an ability. If you have three blinks, you get the top three options. If you go up to six blinks, you get to add in the next three: not as awesome as the first three, but nice nonetheless.)

Now remove all mobility from the game, except that everybody gets one Flash per match. Well, you'd presumably use it on that Flash-Tibbers, or whatever you thought was the most valuable opportunity presented.

Then add a second Flash per match. This one would give you less total value, presumably, because you'd be using it on the second-best option.

And so on.

Put differently, let's say we have some dashy high-mobility Champions who can take advantage of the top 30% of blink-opportunities. Adding Flash lets them expand that to, say, the top 40% of opportunities. But it also lets the zero-mobility Champions take advantage of the top 10%. Going from 0 to 10 is a lot better than going from 30 to 40; going from 0 to 10 lets you steal the sweetest plums, whereas the 30-40 options are presumably somewhat less exciting, or else you'd have nabbed them earlier.

(It's possible, of course, that mobility synergizes with mobility, which would turn this model on its head. For example, maybe there are some super-high-value moves that you can do with two blinks in a row, but can't do with one. If the options that open up when you go from 1 blink to 2 blinks are much better than the options that open up when you go from 0 to 1, then adding Flash makes the gap worse.)

(2) However, I'd like to see other spells buffed to the point where it can be viable to take them instead of Flash, if you're smart about it.

Maybe Flash fills an especially valuable role in balance. Still, I'd like to see other spells buffed to the point where someone with a really clever strategy might be able to make a flashless spellset work. For example, maybe make Heal strong enough that a resistance-tank might want it.

Or at least make Ghost strong enough that it can measure up to Flash for Champions who are durable enough to not instantly explode. (Arguably, I guess that's already the case? I'm a noob, like I said, so I'm not sure.) That at least offers people two mobility options with different pros and cons.

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Flash is mandatory on almost every single champion. At this point it's better to leave it alone instead of trying to nerf it or delete it.

Attacking the one lane that needs teleport to be relevant is a bad idea. Top lane needs teleport to be the way it is (or buffed), to have an impact on games. It is ridiculous how many other lanes are using it now, but Riot needs to be very careful when nerfing this ability.

I do not play top lane very frequently, but I do not believe nerfing teleport would be a good idea for that lane. Every lane should be able to impact the game. THE GAME IS BOT LANE, whoever wins that wins the game (and Riot is buffing bot lane, LOL).

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Flash is mandatory on almost every single champion. At this point it's better to leave it alone instead of trying to nerf it or delete it.

but teleport isn't mandatory on almot every single champion? deft used it while being an adc. why teleport is nerfed but flash for the same reason can't be nerfed?

I think they should remove flash temporarily in one patch during preseason just to see how hard it shakes things up.

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Flash is mandatory on almost every single champion. At this point it's better to leave it alone instead of trying to nerf it or delete it.

i have to begrudgingly agree, you think we never see immobile champs in the current meta now, wait until their one and only get out of jail free every 5 minutes card is gone

remove flash and lol becomes League of Lee Sin

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Flash is mandatory on almost every single champion. At this point it's better to leave it alone instead of trying to nerf it or delete it.

All the more reason to address it.

I think it should be removed entirely.

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This isn't exactly what was said. Well, it is, but there is more to it. In the balance team Q&A some other concerns were raised. These were:

1. That the relevance of top lane to the rest of the game was dominated by who has the best pre level 9 TP gank
2. That with TP being so prominent, all fighting, at least early on, focusses around the bot lane. My interpretation of this is that it leads to a stagnation of strategy in the early game.

as long as drake and carries ar on the bottom part of the map, all fighting will focus around bot lane anyways

the question is if top lane has a part on these fights or reverts back into an island. here is what happens when tp gets nerfed. everyone will run again.

right now, the choice between tp and ignite is still a pretty valid option. if i pick a lane bully, ignite adds a ton of kill potential to my already strong laning and i may put so much pressure onto my opponent, that he needs teleport just to hold the lane.

ignite still makes you a much larger threat. as a lane bully and split pusher. if they want to do anything, they should maybe give it a slight cooldown buff instead of neerfing tp.

Everyone needs to win too. Is that bad design?

waits for Flash squad to upvote ridiculous question

Please nerf boots. They're OP because everyone buys them. Some things are bought/taken by everyone but it's okay because the game balance is based around it. If you suddenly just remove flash or boots, the meta would shift in unpredictable ways and certain champs/strategies could get insane winrates before they get gutted.

Actually, two solo laners with TP do not constitute a lack of incentive to fight each other. Rather, champions with very high kill pressure are seen taking teleport as well, because they do not need ignite or exhaust for example to kill their laner, so teleport becomes a viable option to do exactly what you explained with passive pressure on other lanes, as well as maintain a lead in your lane.

I do understand you said " generally have low kill pressure " but that really is not the case whatsoever.