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Riot, you've missed the mark on support items yet again and deleting others won't help anything.

R0XTAR·10/23/2019, 11:33:35 AM·25 votes·10,532 views

So I'm over here sitting in the lounge at work for another 3 hours waiting to clock in and checking out Surrender@20. What have you done?

You are deleting the Ancient Coin line (presumably due to the bullshit excuse of no champion interaction). You are taking away one ward count from the maximum upgrade of any 'Sightstone' of 4 and bringing it down to 3. What's the point of having Doran's Blade now if you are going to do the same thing and receive more gold that way?

I understand that you are making it so ranged attacks can now properly do the execute to grant the whole Relic Shield thing, but the fact of the matter is that the whole game isn't about champion interaction. That's what makes backdoors work-- the lack of champion interaction.

Not only that, but you are deleting items that actually do no harm to the game, namely Ohmwrecker and ZZ Rot. Why?? ZZ Rot was hard nerfed in Patch 7.1 when you killed the damage that voidlings do. They seriously die in like 2 minion hits and one auto from a champion. They lose health only after being spawned for about 1.5 seconds so (hypothetically, please correct me if I'm wrong) it would take a long time to even try to set up for a slow push in your favor because they die so fast. Not only that, ZZ Rot only stays online for 2 minutes. DEFINITELY not enough time to really change too much on the map unless you are already pushing and put it next to the enemy tower.

Ohmwrecker's turn. This was (and is) an item created by a player, yes? Now that brings a storm of questions. Why delete this item? It doesn't matter if it doesn't see the light of day much. You abandoned this item even though you 'bug fixed' it several times. When was the last time you did anything to this that was a major change? Patch 4.20 and then again in 5.16. THAT'S LITERALLY OVER 4.5 YEARS NOW! This shows me even more proof that you are deleting items/maps that you are just giving up on. Almost 5 years is plenty of time to look at this item and give it unique changes that can make it be bought and used for at least something.

Riot. You are going through bronze tunnel vision. You have failed time and again to realize that the way you want us to play League nowadays compared to times like any other season. It. Is. Not. Fun. Anymore. Isn't this why you reworked the rune and mastery system into Runes Reforged? To give us more agency in what happened on a 'per game' basis? You're going away from what you have told us again and again but it seems like you only want the game to be played a certain way.

Back to basis though, you're killing vision once more. You're killing the play style of fighting without fighting. I just don't understand what you want from your player base and I hope you reconsider.

24 Comments

IainG1010/23/2019, 1:32:55 PM8 votes

The Support items still upgrade twice, once giving 3 wards and then to give 4; the difference is that now they do it automatically, not from the shop. Also, they are meant to disable their gold passives if people start actually farming with them, and I expect whatever behind-the-scenes metric they have for detecting that is gonna need fine tuning.

At least, the above is what the notes for pre-Season say, and if the PBE doesn't match that, it may be due to bugs (which is why we have a PBE in the first place)

Naalith10/23/2019, 2:22:57 PM5 votes

On a broader scale, I'm also pretty sure this next season is going to spread the inability to play multiple champions from jungle to other lanes. Early game hyper aggro junglers will be even more required despite people saying they wanted to play other types of champions. Now that there are 2 heralds, tops will be forced to play more aggro to secure kills and roam (rip Kayle). Mid and bot will have to be the same for dragon because losing 4 drakes auto loses the game.

As a jungler player I'd be willing to trade carrying potential for the ability to just farm more and have a wider pool of champions. Instead, Riot is reducing our xp even more and further mandating that we only play Xin, Lee, and J4. Why try to farm when leeching xp from solo laners gives more levels?

Magnesium1410/23/2019, 10:06:44 PM3 votes

Voted no by mistake, ohm wrecker is just sleeper OP, but zzrot my favorite item Rito really hates me first they destroy Garen my favorite champion before the rework that made him cancer and now zzrot.

ShyImagoghnar10/23/2019, 2:37:09 PM2 votes

Remove all support items. Revert Yi nerf. Revert Guinsoo nerf. Remove monster hunter debuff. Bring back sightstone, heart of gold, philo stone, and kage's lucky pick

The supports who were doing the funneling are broken; the champions who were being funneled were not. Supports deserve only to be vision-bots, cc-bots, and sustain-bots

LightswornLance10/24/2019, 8:03:55 AM2 votes

Taking coin on any champion that isnt thresh or rakan is basically trolling TBH. And those two champs gladly accept the ability to use relic shields passive.

CaptainAntiHeroz10/24/2019, 6:52:48 AM1 votes

Heyyyyyyy the fully upgraded item got 3 per 10 at least, they're making progress

Jennifer1710/24/2019, 7:11:48 AM1 votes

riot: there cant be anything wrong with support items if we eventually delete all of them.

Pika Fox10/24/2019, 2:10:37 PM1 votes

You didnt actually read the update post, did you?

First upgrade is 3 wards, second is 4. You still get 4.

Coin was removed because coin and shield are effectively the same playstyle with different stats.

You cant double support item, as it locks out all gold gen on it, and you physically cannot upgrade your item and get more stats if you dont get gold, as upgrades are automatic now.

MrEnds10/23/2019, 2:35:52 PM1 votes

i dont see any indicator of the removal of ancient coin..?

Pika Fox10/24/2019, 2:14:33 PM1 votes

Also, ohmwrecker was named after a player, not created by.

R0XTAR10/23/2019, 1:34:57 PM1 votes

Okay, thank you for the clarity on that point. I don't understand though the Spellthief's for AD cuz Doran's is a thing. I hope they do have a plan for that or they might use the same coding/metric as you say to prevent farming if you have an item that has 'Tribute'.