So lets talk about Zed....

FaytalityHD·Oct 9, 2016·1 votes·407 views

With the highest winrate of all champions and a high banrate along with it its time we nerf zed. Enemy mids have very little they can do to stop his devastating all ins starting as early as level 3. Not only does this champ destroy people in game the champ also has a lingering devastating effect that haunts these people in life. We all know what happened to ryu, he was on his way to becoming one of the best midlaners but he never regained his strength after what faker did to him. Nerf Zed.

26 Comments

CatastropOct 9, 20167 votes

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With the highest winrate

lolwut?

AstôlfoOct 9, 20166 votes

i r8 dis b8 8/8 m8

warpenguin555Oct 9, 20165 votes

Zed's winrate isnt that high really

MiraweaveOct 9, 20164 votes

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Zed's winrate isnt that high really

^ People are banning him because of ptsd from when he was strong, not because he's actually strong right now.

After riot nerfed his ability to harass in lane, he's kinda perfectly balanced. His problem has never been his all-in not having enough counterplay, it's been his oppressive laning phase. Now that his laning phase isn't stupid, he's fair again.

Very Hard EngageOct 9, 20163 votes

no i ban him because hes a popular pick and he is a direct counterpick to the majority of mid laners and he creates an all around negative experience for everyone involved but the zed.

do not confuse counterpick with win rate. hes an oppressive laner, thats it.

MiraweaveOct 9, 20163 votes

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no i ban him because hes a popular pick and he is a direct counterpick to the majority of mid laners and he creates an all around negative experience for everyone involved but the zed.

do not confuse counterpick with win rate. hes an oppressive laner, thats it.

His harass is a lot worse now. He's really not oppressive in lane anymore.

And a lot of the more popular midlaners counter him.

Very Hard EngageOct 9, 20162 votes

pick veigar, karthus, orianna into zed and tell me how that goes.

you dont ever come out ahead over him without being a grossly better player than he is and that is the definition of anti fun.

it goes beyond what a counterpick does or should do and it forces you to eat dirt and hard counterbuild just to stay alive and not die.

a jungler should be mindful of the zed on the enemy team, in higher up elo zed stops going for the harassment with his W and saves it because he literally can be ganked at any time. low elo zed is just going to spam and junglers wont dare touch him or make him burn his flash for playing overly aggressive because junglers know "you cant gank zed"

MiraweaveOct 9, 20163 votes

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pick veigar, karthus, orianna into zed and tell me how that goes.

you dont ever come out ahead over him without being a grossly better player than he is and that is the definition of anti fun.

it goes beyond what a counterpick does or should do and it forces you to eat dirt and hard counterbuild just to stay alive and not die.

a jungler should be mindful of the zed on the enemy team, in higher up elo zed stops going for the harassment with his W and saves it because he literally can be ganked at any time. low elo zed is just going to spam and junglers wont dare touch him or make him burn his flash for playing overly aggressive because junglers know "you cant gank zed"

Veigar is exactly the kind of champion Zed should be good against. Karthus loses lane to almost everything, and hasn't been good for a long time. Orianna is actually very good against Zed, according to OP.gg and most high elo Zed players.

Zed scales pretty badly, too. All most mages have to do is not die to him and he'll gradually become useless assuming their team's support has half a brain.

Very Hard EngageOct 9, 20162 votes

thats assuming they didn't go 0/7 in lane and die 4x under their own tower.

orianna is one of the only champs who can trade levels 1 and 2 thanks to shield and ranged autos, beyond that zed wins until late game.

which goes back to my original post dont confuse win rates with counterpicks. which you just did, right now.

zed demands to be banned until he can get a proper rework and become balanced. no1 wants zed to be as overly potent as he is early and then as irrelevant as he is late. but people pick him and climb with him because hes a tool to exert your dominance and mechanical skill over "bad" players.

MiraweaveOct 9, 20162 votes

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thats assuming they didn't go 0/7 in lane and die 4x under their own tower.

orianna is one of the only champs who can trade levels 1 and 2 thanks to shield and ranged autos, beyond that zed wins until late game.

which goes back to my original post dont confuse win rates with counterpicks. which you just did, right now.

zed demands to be banned until he can get a proper rework and become balanced. no1 wants zed to be as overly potent as he is early and then as irrelevant as he is late. but people pick him and climb with him because hes a tool to exert your dominance and mechanical skill over "bad" players.

No, Orianna just wins that lane. Zed's harass is much worse than hers, and she can force him to blow his W to get minions because of her zoning potential. Pre 6 she fucks him, post 6 she's got long enough range to farm and her shield makes it really difficult for him to all-in her. If she takes Exhaust like she should in that matchup, he has essentially zero chance of killing her before she finishes hourglass, and she outscales him immensely.

They nerfed Zed's harass quite a bit recently, and he really isn't as dominant in lane as he used to be. There are much more powerful midlaners right now.

Very Hard EngageOct 9, 20161 votes

you do it then. show me 15 zed vs oriana games where you play ori and you win at least 8/15.

the only way to reliably beat zed is to pick a ranged champ who can safely farm and assert yourself as the better player through repeatedly landing skill shots against him and forcing him out of lane.

every other scenario depends on zed messing up, missing, being out of position, junlger/support assistance or you're a hard counter to zed.

MiraweaveOct 9, 20161 votes

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you do it then. show me 15 zed vs oriana games where you play ori and you win at least 8/15.

the only way to reliably beat zed is to pick a ranged champ who can safely farm and assert yourself as the better player through repeatedly landing skill shots against him and forcing him out of lane.

every other scenario depends on zed messing up, missing, being out of position, junlger/support assistance or you're a hard counter to zed.

Statistically she's a counter. Every goddamn high elo zed main agrees that Orianna is a bad lane.

The fact that you don't understand how to play the matchup properly, does not make it a bad matchup.

Very Hard EngageOct 9, 20161 votes

in the perfect world orianna never touches zed and both players are forced to farm out the wave. this is also high elo were talking about here where zed no longer spams but reserves W in the early game as an escape instead of a harassment tool lets make ori back before 20cs and come back with nothing.

should ori be skilled she just shields off the Q damage and focuses on the wave eventually reaching zeds turret because shes pushing faster because zed depends on his W cd to avoid being in melee range to farm.

the reverse is also true where ori just last hits and she eventually gets pushed under her turret.

HOWEVER ori would never push zed in because unlike zed, ori has no escape mechanism and would die if she pushed so she would let the wave stay in the middle. so she doesn't get freelo ganked.

KNOWING SHE OUTSCALES ZED. and is comfortable just free farming and 5v5ing later on in the game.

orianna does not beat zed in a 1v1 or put zed into the dirt.

#for the last time, stop confusing win rates with lane matchups

http://lolcounter.com/champions/zed

look up any champion you want, if you look up mid laners you will find zeds face "your champion here __________ is weak against........" zeds face is on the list

MiraweaveOct 9, 20161 votes

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in the perfect world orianna never touches zed and both players are forced to farm out the wave. this is also high elo were talking about here where zed no longer spams but reserves W in the early game as an escape instead of a harassment tool lets make ori back before 20cs and come back with nothing.

Ok sure, if you're unable to dodge any of Zed's harass, aren't trying to harass him back at all, and don't use your shield ever, he'll harass you out of lane.

But if that's happening, it's because you're playing really badly and deserve to lose.

Very Hard EngageOct 9, 20161 votes

you cant dodge zeds harass, your 325ms coupled with his raw projectile speed make it his projectile to miss. the only way to dodge is to simply be far enough away where it doesn't matter where zed throws it you're not getting hit by it anyway which is around the last 200units of his throw anyway (of his 900 range), which is due to his casting animation, not the projectile speed.

nidalee spear is dodgeable. zed shuriken is not. thats why its so important to keep your distance from zed so he cant hit you freely with his Q over and over.

MiraweaveOct 9, 20161 votes

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you cant dodge zeds harass, your 325ms coupled with his raw projectile speed make it his projectile to miss. the only way to dodge is to simply be far enough away where it doesn't matter where zed throws it you're not getting hit by it anyway which is around the last 200units of his throw anyway (of his 900 range), which is due to his casting animation, not the projectile speed.

nidalee spear is dodgeable. zed shuriken is not. thats why its so important to keep your distance from zed so he cant hit you freely with his Q over and over.

You absolutely can dodge it, unless you're standing way, WAY too close to him.

Zed isn't even a good champion right now. You're just really bad at playing against him.

Very Hard EngageOct 9, 20161 votes

im just the person who climbs, quickly at that too, i dont let average zed players run all over me, instead i do my standard build or whatever is deemed appropriate for the match.

i absolutely do not pansy out and rush seekers/roa/zhonyas

instead i finish morello/abyssal and roam bot lane before he does and get bigger and faster than he does.

there is no reason to even bother trying to fight him knowing his early armor pen means hes GOING to do more damage to me than i will to him. so its best NOT TO FIGHT ZED, and go somewhere else instead.

i beat zed > 50% of the time, and its not doing any of the things you suggest, i have literally 0 reason to try the things you say to do when i already have a working system.

the pros do not kill zed. they do not die to him, and they make sure he stays small and totally farm dependent on items. at that stage 5v5's roll around and you win more often than zed does because you didn't give him an atrocious early game lead like he normally cheeses out. so by default you win.

^ thats poor champion design.

RequiemsfireOct 9, 20164 votes

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CatastropOct 9, 20162 votes

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http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/009/570/e0d.jpg

Sadly by the time I realized, I'd already fallen for it.

RequiemsfireOct 9, 20162 votes

Sadly indeed, I knew that immediately from the moment i saw this post have 1 upvote, i knew that it would fall to the double negatives :P

It's so obvious.

Wolfram OxfordOct 9, 20162 votes

He doesn't have the high win rate, and with how he is designed he has a very risky play style including being completely countered by GA and Zhonays. You are high if you honestly think he is broken and needs nerfs.

ShadòwOct 9, 20162 votes

With the highest winrate of all champions

https://i.gyazo.com/9f56975028cbd0a5d845b2566e4667a1.png?noredirect

Handy Sandy Oct 9, 20162 votes

I know he can be hard to go against. You just need to learn how to dodge his W + Q harass (I struggled with this too) I find taking barrier against him helps too, but others find exhaust better to actually go for a kill.