To anyone who thinks Morde is still OP cuz of a 53% winrate:

Ragnaveil··3 votes·1,395 views

That winrate is inflated TL;DR. I'd like to literally point this out, but it seems people don't understand that Morde's ult is a suppress, meaning QSS (the bane of Skarner and Malz mains) completely takes you out of it. Morg also has the power to hard counter Morde's kit with Black Shield alone. Pair her with Karma, and the world is over for him. He loses an entire 5% of his winrate when you compare his plat winrate to masters. That's massive if you consider he's a "god" that hasn't been really nerfed as people who cry he's OP make it seem.

So yes, his plat and diamond winrate are inflated because people still dont understand the QSS fact (that, and ADCs in plat/diamond 4 are sometimes snobs that want to itemize full crit without building the component cuz its "too garbage"). I'm making this post because I don't need a weak toplaner getting nerfed again because the "data" suggests he's "broken".

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Soul Dealer2 votes

I don’t think morde is op. I think his passive just needs a small nerf and he will be fine.

Makarakarn2 votes

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I don’t think morde is op. I think his passive just needs a small nerf and he will be fine.

His passive already got nerfed LOL

Soul Dealer3 votes

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His passive already got nerfed LOL

And it is still op LOL

Ragnaveil1 votes

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I don’t think morde is op. I think his passive just needs a small nerf and he will be fine.

You mean the hotfix? Cuz let me tell you, his late game is very shitty for what Juggernauts should be good at.

Soul Dealer1 votes

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You mean the hotfix? Cuz let me tell you, his late game is very shitty for what Juggernauts should be good at.

No I mean it should not do percent health damage. Take that way from him

PopcornBunni2 votes

All bigger issues than his ult --

E width Q mutitarget/minion damage W cooldown Passive base damage

Morde's ult is the least of the issues with him. Literally resourceless instant wave clear and harass with more range than every melee top outside TahmKench Q, and E which serves as an even better engage tool than a dash would since it pulls them out from your turret or into his. Add on top of that literal unwinnabe trades against him even in your own minion wave thanks to P and W.

The hotfix barely scratched the surface. He needs to be Zoed hard.

SKT T1 DRACOS2 votes

Situation everybody hates. Teamfight Happens Mordekaiser why would u look at that a wild Vayne is there in a team fight why not just ult him. Vayne Yesss we are winnning the fight cause of me. Wait where is mord... HOLY SHT minute passes Mordekaiser K i killed vayne oh wait we won the team fight cause they dont have adc oh wow we are pros.

CrazyMonkeyCZ3 votes

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Situation everybody hates. Teamfight Happens Mordekaiser why would u look at that a wild Vayne is there in a team fight why not just ult him. Vayne Yesss we are winnning the fight cause of me. Wait where is mord... HOLY SHT minute passes Mordekaiser K i killed vayne oh wait we won the team fight cause they dont have adc oh wow we are pros.

Mordekaiser Oh nvmitem 3140

Ragnaveil1 votes

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Mordekaiser Oh nvmitem 3140

TY. Someone gets how easy of a counterplay there is. People say, "Oh, but he still has his E" being able to keep distance away from him as an ADC is easy.

jocomotion1 votes

Actually, a good Vayne should be able to beat him in his own death realm, her kite is good enough to the point where she doesn’t have to just run in one direction.

FrancisMuni2 votes

Being forced to spend 800g in an item to counter Skarner feels fair because it is the only thing that that champion is able to do. And he also needs to burn a lot of his resources besides his ult (Flash, Predator...) to actually be able to use his ult, since he has neither range nor mobility.

On the other hand, Mordekaiser is a lane bully that outscales almost everything. It's a fucking monster able to oneshot half a team with a combo. He already has ranged CC (his E) to get close to his targets, but on top of that his ult has like 1000 units range. And Skarner's ult only lasts for 1.75 seconds while Morde's ult lasts for SEVEN. To be honest, you could remove completely his ult and put nothing in return and he would still be strong.

Moody P2 votes

Mordekaiser is not a lane bully.

FrancisMuni2 votes

He can push faster than anyone else, he has tons of damage, sustain, range, CC, little CD on his Q and he can destroy people with his passive alone. How the hell isn't he a lane bully. He can beat even fucking TAHM KENCH

Ragnaveil1 votes

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He can push faster than anyone else, he has tons of damage, sustain, range, CC, little CD on his Q and he can destroy people with his passive alone. How the hell isn't he a lane bully. He can beat even fucking TAHM KENCH

Uh...what? He can only push good enough if he has 4 ranks in Q. Also, how in the fuck does he beat stunbot toad? Last I checked Kench can sit on your ass and make you non-existent.

Moody P1 votes

CC on a 24 second CD and a 1 second delay being one of the easiest to avoid in top lane, his damage is awful until he has levels and at least 1 item, he can't force trades or stick at all so outside of being able to spam shove the wave the tempo of the lane is entirely in your hands. If you get hit by his E then you Just walk away wait 5 seconds and then take an easy trade.

His sustain sacrifices his shield which gives you plenty of time to force a fight and make the heal null because he can't defend the trade anymore.

Mord's early laning is dog shit and I haven't lost to him at all early game. The only trouble he gives me is outCSing me When I play a champion who has no wave clear without a Tiamat.

Ragnaveil1 votes

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Being forced to spend 800g in an item to counter Skarner feels fair because it is the only thing that that champion is able to do. And he also needs to burn a lot of his resources besides his ult (Flash, Predator...) to actually be able to use his ult, since he has neither range nor mobility.

On the other hand, Mordekaiser is a lane bully that outscales almost everything. It's a fucking monster able to oneshot half a team with a combo. He already has ranged CC (his E) to get close to his targets, but on top of that his ult has like 1000 units range. And Skarner's ult only lasts for 1.75 seconds while Morde's ult lasts for SEVEN. To be honest, you could remove completely his ult and put nothing in return and he would still be strong.

Uh...last I checked shit can dick him late game so he doesn't exist. A late game ADC can kill Morde.

JackMcCarry1 votes

Yes yes we get it, Boards like to circle jerk how balanced Morde is no matter the statistics.

You're all talking like his ult is his only tool in his kit like skarner or mahlz, when he also has AoE hook, AoE nuke, sustain/shield + perma team fight movespeed + %health damage. Did i mention he has no resource managment on top of that? Even Vlad sustain cost him health (even if it doesnt really stop him from being cancer).

Only morde can be released with 58% WR, get hotfixed nerfed and still maintain 53% WR with high pickrate in 2 lanes AND STILL have people preemtively create threads to explain why he's infact balanced, it's just everyone else are too "snobby" to buy QSS.

Riven was 52% WR when the entire boards had a meltdown on how OP she is.

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