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For Me Zed is Fine the way he is and does not need more insane buff.

taleofsonata··9 votes·1,093 views

The difference between Zed and Sejuani, I think is mostly about skillcap. Sejuani is relatively easy to play and easy to pull off and she was gutted along with the nerf on Cinderhulk. While right now Zed is receiving the Reverse Sejuani threatment. Mastery Buff, some buff such as shadow range and speed, New item called nightfall who work super well with his ultimate. He takes more skills to play and most of the people who play him are just bad. Any division, it could be Bronze, Silver, Gold, Plat, Diamond, they all require some sort of mechanics. If you watch Zed in LCS plays you clearly see him being played on a Different Level Above Diamond, hell even above challenger. Their Zed don't get CC soo easely and is slippery as Fizz. In other words the biggest reason for me that is is kinda a little too strong is. Skillcap is the reason good Zed and bad Zed exist. There are other Champion that receive huge nerf based on their strengh + Skillcap. Nidalee, Azir, I can even say Riven but she didn't get any insane nerf

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Very Hard Engage8 votes

no, i literally just bought zed because hes been called freelo countless times by my favorite mid lane streamers.

what ive found out just by playing him, and religiously laning against him 1/5~1/6 of ALL my mid lane games. is that zed wins lane. zed has an easy time farming thanks to his multitude of free AoE. zed crushes the MAJORITY of opposing mid laners. and when he gets ahead, whether it be by shoving his opposing laner out and getting a cs/tower lead. roam potential. or just by snowballing. its an obnoxious thing to deal with. you either have your counter(s) or you dont.

zed needs lane nerfs, sustain nerfs (crazy stupid how much life i get back), cool down nerfs. REMOVAL OF FREE 25% BONUS AD, and better % scaling. that way he has a more curved laning experience instead of how rediculous it is right now.

i build pen on zed. not ad. and i do tons of damages against squishies, thats wrong.

i feel sorry for the enemy mid laners now. im just going "sorry sorry, im a dirty zed player now"

taleofsonata1 votes

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no, i literally just bought zed because hes been called freelo countless times by my favorite mid lane streamers.

what ive found out just by playing him, and religiously laning against him 1/5~1/6 of ALL my mid lane games. is that zed wins lane. zed has an easy time farming thanks to his multitude of free AoE. zed crushes the MAJORITY of opposing mid laners. and when he gets ahead, whether it be by shoving his opposing laner out and getting a cs/tower lead. roam potential. or just by snowballing. its an obnoxious thing to deal with. you either have your counter(s) or you dont.

zed needs lane nerfs, sustain nerfs (crazy stupid how much life i get back), cool down nerfs. REMOVAL OF FREE 25% BONUS AD, and better % scaling. that way he has a more curved laning experience instead of how rediculous it is right now.

i build pen on zed. not ad. and i do tons of damages against squishies, thats wrong.

i feel sorry for the enemy mid laners now. im just going "sorry sorry, im a dirty zed player now"

To be fair vs any laner Zed is on the stronger side, his laning phase is flawless because of how he dominate the lane.

Ralanr1 votes

That's not a good thing.

taleofsonata1 votes

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That's not a good thing.

0.0 I know riight, I wonder if Zed can delete a Tank with nightfall tho that I want to try.

Indominus Blade5 votes

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no, i literally just bought zed because hes been called freelo countless times by my favorite mid lane streamers.

what ive found out just by playing him, and religiously laning against him 1/5~1/6 of ALL my mid lane games. is that zed wins lane. zed has an easy time farming thanks to his multitude of free AoE. zed crushes the MAJORITY of opposing mid laners. and when he gets ahead, whether it be by shoving his opposing laner out and getting a cs/tower lead. roam potential. or just by snowballing. its an obnoxious thing to deal with. you either have your counter(s) or you dont.

zed needs lane nerfs, sustain nerfs (crazy stupid how much life i get back), cool down nerfs. REMOVAL OF FREE 25% BONUS AD, and better % scaling. that way he has a more curved laning experience instead of how rediculous it is right now.

i build pen on zed. not ad. and i do tons of damages against squishies, thats wrong.

i feel sorry for the enemy mid laners now. im just going "sorry sorry, im a dirty zed player now"

  1. You played 2 Zed games in team builder.
  2. You are gold 5 in ranked, 0 ranked zed games, you don't understand game balance and champions that well, those nerfs you suggested are insane.

I am rank 12 Zed player on EUW on my main account. Zed doesn't win lane by default like you said. Everytime I play vs a Zed, I win lane against him. How is that possible? Simple, it all comes to understanding Zed's kit and outplaying him. Zed is a healthy Assassin because his kit allows interaction with enemy player, you can avoid his damage and punish him if you have the skill to do so.

Enemy player locks in Zed , I laugh and lock in Talon and stomp him.

taleofsonata1 votes

I can answer that,

  1. he might play normal to match up in a game quick in which it could be Draft or blind.
  2. There is something called Normal MMR and Ranked MMR, someone who play Normal alot will end up being match up constantly with Diamond and I can prove that because I screenshot some of my games where I end up match up with diamond challenger and master tier. Some people only play ranked to get to gold 5 for a reason and it is because of the end of the season rewards which are the victorious skin, I'm pretty sure if Riot Raised the Reward to Platinum 5 there will be more Plat 5 than Gold 5. Some of the people don't want to get to put with the Ranked shit Elitism and just want to have fun with real life friend which are silver and lower.

You don't need to constantly play Zed to know him, the reason is simple do you have over 1000 Games? I'm pretty sure yes, do you have knowledge of all the champion, Yup. You might play Zed for like 2 game and completely understand his gameplay. Some people just learn faster than others.

Zed laning phase is not healthy for the one facing him, he has more pressure than you think he have. Zed has awesome last hitting potential with his passive, Zed W E Q poke does insane amount of damage because 1st of all it slow which helps him land his shuriken, + it doesn't cost any MANA because he is an energy champion with an 10 per sec energy regen. As he puts pts into his Q their energy cost get lower and lower making them more spammable as he levels up.

My friend always say Zed is balanced and I always prove him wrong by picking Zed Mid, Support, Top, Jungle, and always good Positive with him with a KDA of 13/2/8 because of how abusive his kit is.

Indominus Blade1 votes

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I can answer that,

  1. he might play normal to match up in a game quick in which it could be Draft or blind.
  2. There is something called Normal MMR and Ranked MMR, someone who play Normal alot will end up being match up constantly with Diamond and I can prove that because I screenshot some of my games where I end up match up with diamond challenger and master tier. Some people only play ranked to get to gold 5 for a reason and it is because of the end of the season rewards which are the victorious skin, I'm pretty sure if Riot Raised the Reward to Platinum 5 there will be more Plat 5 than Gold 5. Some of the people don't want to get to put with the Ranked shit Elitism and just want to have fun with real life friend which are silver and lower.

You don't need to constantly play Zed to know him, the reason is simple do you have over 1000 Games? I'm pretty sure yes, do you have knowledge of all the champion, Yup. You might play Zed for like 2 game and completely understand his gameplay. Some people just learn faster than others.

Zed laning phase is not healthy for the one facing him, he has more pressure than you think he have. Zed has awesome last hitting potential with his passive, Zed W E Q poke does insane amount of damage because 1st of all it slow which helps him land his shuriken, + it doesn't cost any MANA because he is an energy champion with an 10 per sec energy regen. As he puts pts into his Q their energy cost get lower and lower making them more spammable as he levels up.

My friend always say Zed is balanced and I always prove him wrong by picking Zed Mid, Support, Top, Jungle, and always good Positive with him with a KDA of 13/2/8 because of how abusive his kit is.

Normal mmr is meaningless, it doesn't matter if you have 3k normal mmr most people have bad normal mmr and even at high normal mmr, nobody takes normals serious, they play for fun/troll/testing. Go "dominate" ranked with Zed and get diamond, then come back.

Zed doesn't have that much lane pressure pre-6, when he has no W, you can punish him, when he misses his Q you can punish him. Zed is easy to beat in lane, if you are a better player than the Zed, which is why Zed is a healthy Assassin, unlike Talon, who I also play.

taleofsonata1 votes

Lets me rephrase your think with Zed Perspective, You tried to poke Zed with a Talon W, Zed W to the side and W again and throw his Q, there you go you just punished by Zed. Zed used W and Q and Missed. You E W Q to Zed to punish him. Zed E and sidestep your W and proceed to auto attack and Q because its back up. You realize Zed outtrade you soo you flash away. As you flash away Zed W is back up soo he W E Q because they are on short cooldown way lower than Talon. Zed W again and then laugh at your face and put an ignite on you.

Indominus Blade2 votes

WTF are you even talking about? Why would I go to W a Zed when he has his W available? See, your problem is that you don't know how to play against a Zed.

Handin Out Naps2 votes

They dont understand abusing cooldowns yet. So basically they don't understand one of the strongest strategies in lane. No point trying to argue with that. Gotta say though my favorite part about their arguments is seeing them complain about Zeds sustain, like lolwut?

Very Hard Engage1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Indominus Blade,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EG6VAjaL,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2015-12-28T16:16:57.732+0000)

  1. You played 2 Zed games in team builder.
  2. You are gold 5 in ranked, 0 ranked zed games, you don't understand game balance and champions that well, those nerfs you suggested are insane.

I am rank 12 Zed player on EUW on my main account. Zed doesn't win lane by default like you said. Everytime I play vs a Zed, I win lane against him. How is that possible? Simple, it all comes to understanding Zed's kit and outplaying him. Zed is a healthy Assassin because his kit allows interaction with enemy player, you can avoid his damage and punish him if you have the skill to do so.

Enemy player locks in Zed , I laugh and lock in Talon and stomp him.

thats because zeds deficiencies are in team coordination. zed doesn't dive in 1v5 and get a penta. zed shines in lane, and thrives on 1v1. in low elo team coordination is lacking and just by jungler showing up somewhere else on the map, i know i can freely dive my opposing laner without consequence.

please come post on your main, id love to hear from a zed main how difficult it is to play zed at high elo.

when in reality all i did to succeed was farm, give free damage with W + Q. he came in to last hit? i would get a free Q off. and when they were less than 70% health i would dive. and it worked, constantly.

if you looked at my account you know im a mid laner.

and im telling you from experience, i know what works against zed (i had to play against him for 2 seasons), and its a very short list. there are no "counter items" item 3157 item 3140 are a myth.

you have to play more aggressive than him and go after him, you dont let him initiate on you. you command the lane instead and you crush him. dont even give him the chance to hit you without him at least missing cs for it and you getting equal damage off.

you need to rush item 3165 item 3285 or just item 3020 item 1058 item 3108 item 1056 item 1056 in general.

item 3191 is a noob trap item against zed.

Indominus Blade4 votes

Nah, you are just bad at the game and at midlane, that is why you are gold 5. Saying zhonya and qss are not counter items just shows how delusional you are. But hey, if you think Zed is so overpowered, why don't you play him in ranked? If he is so OP, surely you can get diamond with him really easily right? go do it :)

Very Hard Engage1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Indominus Blade,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EG6VAjaL,comment-id=0001000100010000,timestamp=2015-12-28T17:33:16.403+0000)

Nah, you are just bad at the game and at midlane, that is why you are gold 5. Saying zhonya and qss are not counter items just shows how delusional you are. But hey, if you think Zed is so overpowered, why don't you play him in ranked? If he is so OP, surely you can get diamond with him really easily right? go do it :)

saying those 2 items are counter items is just "i want to keep zed in power, opposing mid laners are totaly stronger because its so simple, they just burn 5000gold for wildly ineffective items, destroy their mana pool. and are now incapable of putting out in the mid game for damage! so glad i main zed and not some crappy mage" "now ill just shove him in for 3x waves, burn his mana pool just to clear the wave, and get a free roam/tower opportunity"

oh my god, he burned 5000gold and now my death mark cant finish him anymore! i cant kill him at all anymore, wow, counterpicked, he took off my death mark damage! broken! countered! my god ive been completely undermined!

you clearly are a zed main by that attitude.

if you knew anything at all about mages you would be much more cautious about mana/wave pushing/shoving, focus on landing 90% of your skill shots, as opposed to "just try again in 5seconds anyway" "oh look! i finally hit one Q, time to dive because hes at 80% health now! and has no innate sustain!"

its simple math, zed can cast Q over 80 times before his first back at or around 9minutes. any AP mid laner gets at most, ~ 18Q's. and then they're OOM and completely defenseless. way less if you're someone like ahri, anivia, veigar, orianna etc. explain that! compare damages! compare your 3 health pots + lifesteal to our 2 potions and 0 spell vamp.

and when you add up all the damages/sustain it becomes necessary for mages to have crazy high accuracy, where zed mains only have to spam and occasionally hit to get their 1hko all in potential

lets ask the zed main.

in what situations are you losing lane. down 50cs. lost a turret, and are getting spanked in lane, as zed. what did they buy, what champions are they playing.

i already know the answer, malz, (or some other direct counter like kayle, swain)

OR you shoved yourself so far up that the enemy jungler just had to come and you were free. (you were making mistakes). ((wow such great counterplay))

because we both know you aren't the one losing towers/cs and being generally forced off. its you whos doing that in all of your games.

GodSupport Katie2 votes

Winning lane doesn't automatically win you the game. Yes his laning phase is extremely good and yes he can delete a squishy but so do most champs that aren't assassins. Also how zed doesn't have innate sustain so i don't know how you would nerf his sustain.

Very Hard Engage1 votes

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Winning lane doesn't automatically win you the game. Yes his laning phase is extremely good and yes he can delete a squishy but so do most champs that aren't assassins. Also how zed doesn't have innate sustain so i don't know how you would nerf his sustain.

its just lifesteal in general, it makes a very toxic experience when he gets half his health back before i can go in again when my utility spell is back off CD.

maybe 1.5% from runes, or more, maybe a dorans blade, definitley 2% lifesteal from masteries. vamp sceptre first item. oh look, cant poke him anymore, have to delete him.

Death by Glamour2 votes

Zed is currently on the strong side.

Tho talon will be even more broken with this new item.

Troiann1 votes

I don't get why the new item will be "broken" on any assassin. Talon and rengar already have the burst, the item is not needed on them. Everyone already buys QSS and hourglass against zed and they both remove the mark.

It would be pretty good on kha zix though.

Handin Out Naps1 votes

People want to jump on any opportunity they get to complain about assassins. Somehow in their heads this item is going to be ridiculously op, but in reality most ad assassins probably wont even build it, and if they do its going to be for the stats. It literally wont change anyone's assassination patterns at all. Qss/Zhonyas still fucks Zed over, Rengar and Talon will still kill you without needing the proc. It literally changes nothing. Just wait till its released, so they can see how useless it is.

Aezanthya2 votes

The only thing that needs to get changed/nerfed is his shadow.

The fact that he can dive, use his whole braindead combo and go back to safety is just dumb. His ult should not summon a shadow.

MunchCrunchLunch2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mega Minun,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EG6VAjaL,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-12-28T02:09:44.755+0000)

The only thing that needs to get changed/nerfed is his shadow.

The fact that he can dive, use his whole braindead combo and go back to safety is just dumb. His ult should not summon a shadow.

^ this. might as well make every ability of his summon a shadow if his only means that he gets close to you to do damage summons a shadow that he can simply go back to. the shadow stays for too long. it needs to have reduced duration. he goes in. lands ult. ignite. and a full combo and he still have enough time to back to his shadow. there need to be some restrictions

Maximum Morde2 votes

I think we should make Zed like the ninja turtles and that no matter what he does if Twitch is picked he automatically loses. Like, it just pops up the defeat screen for Zed's team once the minions spawn.

taleofsonata1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Maximum Morde,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EG6VAjaL,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-12-28T16:46:01.338+0000)

I think we should make Zed like the ninja turtles and that no matter what he does if Twitch is picked he automatically loses. Like, it just pops up the defeat screen for Zed's team once the minions spawn.

XD I'll play 100% twitch most of the time.

PokladnicaZla1 votes

Just wait until the new AD assassin items hits Live. Zed,Talon and Rengar will be even more annoying...

Lovely Pants1 votes

Just a small point in the midst of all of the assassin hysteria right now.

I don't really agree with a few of Riot's current intentions regarding masteries, but the purpose of introducing an assassin specific mastery as well as the new item proposed has little to do with buffing assassins and more to do with giving them a specific shared class of options to choose from that they can be adjusted around.

Also, it'll probably be a couple of months before the new item even shows up in game (if it even makes it past internal testing) so we're jumping the gun a little on the abject fear everyone has descended into on boards. At any rate, if you want to be optimistic about it, you can look forward to widespread assassin nerfs when and if it does come into being.

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