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Can we stop with win rate?

KONO RUBICK DA··3 votes·572 views

as someone who plays this game since the night of the time this is starting to become extremely cancerous

how many time did riot nerf a champion with 45% win rate and buffed a champion with 52% win rate?

why is no one here remembering leblanc getting her silence removed when she had 44% win rate? why is no one here remembering olaf getting olafed with 49% win rate? darius having his reset removed with 49% win rate? lee sin nerfed multiple time while having 47% win rate? you want recent examples? camille and rengar around 47% win rate and still being nerfed?

i can keep continuing with this last until you fall asleep as it's VERY LONG no one cares about win rate, by no one at least riot doesn't. the balance team doesn't give a shit about win rate rumble was nerfed two patches ago and according to meddler will get nerfed again while his win rate is under 50%

jinx used to have once 52% win rate and FYI this happened

V6.17 Super Mega Death Rocket! Minimum AD ratio increased to 15% bonus AD from 10% bonus AD. Maximum AD ratio increased to 150% bonus AD from 100% bonus AD.

some champions had 55% or 56% win rate for YEARS like Heimerdinger Rammus Fiddlesticks Sona Janna Swain and they never got nerfed until riot indirectly buffed them

TLDR: shut up about win rate, because it's not with this argument that riot will listen to you if you want us to read your thesis then bring real examples on why a champion is broken

12 Comments

MagicFlyingLlama1 votes

TL;DR about sona is that people are bad and dont respect the terrifying might of her Q+A (basically a veigar ult on a 4-second cooldown).

Her actual ability to win games where people are not fullbad is a little more even..

Nanuk Pihoqahiak4 votes

Sona's Q + Auto is a Veigar ult? Is this real life?

MagicFlyingLlama1 votes

Look up the AP ratios and base damage involved in her Q, auto, passive, lichbane, Q onhit buff.. Her trade damage is superior to most AP assassins, it is just limited by a lack of followup, poor targeting priority, low range and being very predictable.

Also nice downvotes from people who get oneshot by sona.

Nanuk Pihoqahiak1 votes

You obviously have no idea how Veigar's ult works.

Let's say Sona's rank 3 (Heck, you could even compare her rank 5 Q) Q is comparable to Veigar's rank 1 ultimate. Her Q at that point does 100 base damage + 50 percent AP scaling.

Veigar's ultimate does 175 base damage + 75 percent ap scaling. It also does 1 percent increased damage per 1 percent health missing, up to double damage.

Even if he didn't buy a single ap item and opted into something like Tear + Catalyst, we would still have natural AP from farming, probably at that point somewhere in the 50-70 range.

And you're telling me Sona's Q + Auto is comparable to his ultimate? You're insane.

MagicFlyingLlama1 votes

Just go do the math, you may be surprised. Not to mention it was a figure of speech for an extremely high-damage point and click spell.

Also this has nothing to do with sona's ult.

Since i know you wont actually do the math, if you are even capable of it:

Her Q+A with lichbane has a 148% AP ratio (counting the 40% boost [8% AP] to her passive damage from using Q) It deals 168 (131 without LB) to 725 base damage depending on level and ability rank. This increases by 100 + 10% AP if you add luden's echo, with is reasonably common if snowballing.

TL;DR With a lategame AP build plus something like ardent censer and eye of the watchers, her Q+A does about 1200-1600 damage depending on the exact items.

Nanuk Pihoqahiak1 votes

I thought we were talking about support Sona here? Where does she get the income to build Luden's or Lich Bane? Because statistically AP Sona wins less than a traditional support build. And even if she did build those items, that does nothing to refute my point.

EDIT: And I typed in ult instead of Q referring to her. Which should have been fairly obvious, but w/e.

MagicFlyingLlama1 votes

Lichbane is basically her core item, regardless of role or lane? It is also not particularly expensive. Maybe i am out of the loop, but a year ago nobody would even consider not building it as a first or second item.

Lucian Waifu1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Angus The Bear,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EFhTtcnW,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-05-04T20:54:02.425+0000)

Sona's Q + Auto is a Veigar ult? Is this real life?

Yes this is real life, a real life where veigar doesn't stack ap for free and doesn't have massive ap ratios and doesn't even exist as a champion.

Nanuk Pihoqahiak1 votes

He doesn't get to stack AP for free against more aggressive matchups, but in shorter games can still easily hit 100-150 ap. In more passive lanes 200+ is easily feasible, especially since the change to his passive.

Cloud2731 votes

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as someone who plays this game since the night of the time this is starting to become extremely cancerous

how many time did riot nerf a champion with 45% win rate and buffed a champion with 52% win rate?

why is no one here remembering leblanc getting her silence removed when she had 44% win rate? why is no one here remembering olaf getting olafed with 49% win rate? darius having his reset removed with 49% win rate? lee sin nerfed multiple time while having 47% win rate? you want recent examples? camille and rengar around 47% win rate and still being nerfed?

i can keep continuing with this last until you fall asleep as it's VERY LONG no one cares about win rate, by no one at least riot doesn't. the balance team doesn't give a shit about win rate rumble was nerfed two patches ago and according to meddler will get nerfed again while his win rate is under 50%

jinx used to have once 52% win rate and FYI this happened

V6.17 Super Mega Death Rocket! Minimum AD ratio increased to 15% bonus AD from 10% bonus AD. Maximum AD ratio increased to 150% bonus AD from 100% bonus AD.

some champions had 55% or 56% win rate for YEARS like Heimerdinger Rammus Fiddlesticks Sona Janna Swain and they never got nerfed until riot indirectly buffed them

TLDR: shut up about win rate, because it's not with this argument that riot will listen to you if you want us to read your thesis then bring real examples on why a champion is broken

The problem is you can't really "prove" that a champion is broken. Everyone has their own opinion on champion balance and not everyone will agree on everything. Win rates however cannot be disputed, so it's good evidence to support your opinion.

Lebłanc Bot1 votes

Win rates are defenitly a factor but they arnt everything.

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