I can no longer have fun playing this game.

Sweetiex · 2015-08-28T05:21:23.034Z

Sorry riot. All the changes in the last 10 patches pretty much destroyed all the fun in the game for me. In just over 6 months Riot made me go "I don't feel like playing this game anymore" instead of "Can't wait to get home so I can play some LoL." I've never felt so limited in the number of champions I can play. I've never before felt like I need 20+ bans in draft to be able to have fun playing. I've never seen this much raging and afking ever before. All these new items, yet it feels like there's even less build diversity than before. I've also never felt like the game was already lost in champ select this often. Since Bard came out, this game has slowly and steadily gone down the drain. I honestly feel like Riot has absolutely no idea what they are doing with their game. Riot keeps constantly adding retarded OP items and then nerf the champions most benefiting from them, leading to these champions being forced to only play the one role that uses these items. If these champions don't have the new OP items, they are now useless. OR Riot keeps steadily buffing "underplayed" champions only because they are "underplayed" and sooner or later these champions become meta because of all the buffs and new items and boom, gutted next patch. Or worse, champions get adjusted to make sure they aren't op with the new items thus forcing them to use the items. "Oh we added an item that gives movement speed. X, X and X champions now have 15 less movement speed to compensate. What's that? You can't catch up to anyone anymore? I know, get the new item." Riot keeps constantly introducing new items and it honestly feels like they don't test the items at all. "Hmm, this champion that we have buffed 10 times in the last 10 patches could become way too strong with this new item. Maybe we should change the item or tune down the overly buffed champion" <- feels like this doesn't happen. Ever. It's more like "New item, didn't test it. Have fun." Sorry riot. I just can't have fun playing this game anymore. I might play a normal or two from time to time, but I doubt I'll be logging in every day anymore. Cya later. Or maybe not. Will see. Edit: I remember a time, when I would think "What should I build this game?" But now all I think is "I build this and this item in this exact order, otherwise I'm useless."

PickleBabahAug 28, 201517 votes

I started from just before half of Season 2.

And all I can say is that so much change has been detrimental to the game. I feel like everything is competing to be put up to par until it gets too strong and then it gets nerfed. Most stuff gets thrown around and other stuff stays stable. Whenever I open up the Patch Notes, I cringe. Sometimes it feels like a hurricane just went through. At the end of it all, it's temporary, and no actual balance is being created.

I remember that, at one time, your main would be safe. Just because it was underplayed doesn't mean that it would have to be reworked into a state where its original identity was distorted. (There are cases where this doesn't apply, like Sion, but then there's Skarner, whose even his Lore has been changed horrifically). Your main wouldn't be picked up once by the pros and then immediately have his silence removed in the following patch and then left to rot in a place of obscurity even worse than where it was originally. Nothing like that would ever have happened to such an extent.

I guess what I'm trying to say is... Contrary to popular belief, Khazix change is not always good. I'm not saying it was perfect, but it was still fun. There was more diversity, more champions being picked, and more fun in general.

By more fun I mean just more chill. No one was expecting so much out of everything to such a point where they expected more than anyone could hav ever done, they themselves included. That was when the game was much less competitive. I feel like the main point where League excels at is its casual side. That side is diminishing more and more everyday. It's so much harder to enjoy everything with everyone so tense and out to jump at you for doing something you know you did wrong.

EnosetcAug 28, 20155 votes

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You probably weren't here during season 1 and 2. Those seasons were the absolute best of this game. HoG, FoN, Philo Stone, Madred's Bloodrazer, etc. Man. I miss it so much you don't even know. I would bet that at least 70% or more of the people who played back then have already quit by now.

This game cannot even hold a light to how it was prior years. If anything, the game was slowly dying (in terms of balance) right when Darius was released. Everyone knew that this champion was an atrocity at the start. Then, more and more champions with obviously overpowered kits compared to the current released champions were being released shortly afterwards (i.e. Jayce at the time and Rengar). I assure you that every person who played in those days would definitely agree.

Now, the game is getting worse and worse at an accelerating rate and it saddens me as well to see how this game is turning out to be. It really feels like Riot isn't trying anymore. The good designers (like Guinsoo and Ezreal) are now gone, now we are stuck with idiots like CertainlyT who are practically ruining the game by literally powercreeping everything (why else would we need all of these "reworks"?).

I have stopped playing this game since around March, and I am happy I did because I am finding games like DotA and CSGO to be more refreshing and not absolutely stupidly unbalanced like it has been since season 4 / late season 3.

The only remotely good release in my opinion was Bard in the past 2 years that doesn't have an extremely stupidly broken kit or anything. (I guarantee if CertianlyT designed Bard, enemies wouldn't be able to go through his tunnel.)

If you ever showed Yasuo or Kalista's kit to anyone in the pre-Darius days, the GD at the time would go ballistic and try to force Riot from doing anything near as stupid as releasing those champions. Now, people are nonchalant about these kinds of champions and it is sad for me to see.

my first extended break from this game (~3 years) was after the release of darius. sucked all the fun out of the game for me

TwitchInMyPantsAug 28, 20153 votes

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You probably weren't here during season 1 and 2. Those seasons were the absolute best of this game. HoG, FoN, Philo Stone, Madred's Bloodrazer, etc. Man. I miss it so much you don't even know. I would bet that at least 70% or more of the people who played back then have already quit by now.

This game cannot even hold a light to how it was prior years. If anything, the game was slowly dying (in terms of balance) right when Darius was released. Everyone knew that this champion was an atrocity at the start. Then, more and more champions with obviously overpowered kits compared to the current released champions were being released shortly afterwards (i.e. Jayce at the time and Rengar). I assure you that every person who played in those days would definitely agree.

Now, the game is getting worse and worse at an accelerating rate and it saddens me as well to see how this game is turning out to be. It really feels like Riot isn't trying anymore. The good designers (like Guinsoo and Ezreal) are now gone, now we are stuck with idiots like CertainlyT who are practically ruining the game by literally powercreeping everything (why else would we need all of these "reworks"?).

I have stopped playing this game since around March, and I am happy I did because I am finding games like DotA and CSGO to be more refreshing and not absolutely stupidly unbalanced like it has been since season 4 / late season 3.

The only remotely good release in my opinion was Bard in the past 2 years that doesn't have an extremely stupidly broken kit or anything. (I guarantee if CertianlyT designed Bard, enemies wouldn't be able to go through his tunnel.)

If you ever showed Yasuo or Kalista's kit to anyone in the pre-Darius days, the GD at the time would go ballistic and try to force Riot from doing anything near as stupid as releasing those champions. Now, people are nonchalant about these kinds of champions and it is sad for me to see.

S1 had a bunch of broken combos and hard counters throughout its time and so did S2. I will say S2 did a lot of things right though. The jungle was extremely accessible, the meta had started to develop and Riot was very in tune with community feedback and quick to fix things that were off. Though there were highly dominant picks that ended up staling out worlds as with every year since Riot's policy is to leave things alone after a certain patch and they didn't figure out nerfs they wanted to do until later in the next season. Though one thing that wasn't an issue S2 was mobility creep since there was an actual discrepancy in power levels, if you were mobile you had a price for it. Now as long as they put some limiting factor on it they feel its ok to give some of the best utility and defensive options to characters that are already mobile while leaving most immobile characters where they are.

They don't seem interested in reworking someone like Brand anytime soon and what does he have to offer in terms of reliability and AoE damage compared to the likes of Ekko, Fizz or Viktor? Or someone like Galio stacked up against Sejuani, Rek'Sai, Maokai or Nautilus? Mind a number of these champs are older designs that have been massively buffed in reworks to compensate, but in their current state are problematic. I think if Riot takes time to rework at a more consistent rate and balance more aggressively they can put old designs in a place where they're competitive with modern power levels but at the moment the discrepencies that exist are pretty dramatic and there doesn't seem to be a call to action on them. I hope Riot notices that people are unhappy and works to change things soon.

LaceUp23Aug 28, 201545 votes

You know what happened? The LCS got popular and rito started to balance around what 12 year olds wanted to see, #LC$BIGFLA$HYPLAY$

I feel the same way. I used play a lot. Then it started to decrease. I started playing more again when cinderhulk came out and you didn't have to have an arms race of who can get Zed and Lee first on your team. Now they are taking it away and I find myself on the boards more than actually playing the game.

Voluug13Aug 28, 201524 votes

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You know what happened? The LCS got popular and rito started to balance around what 12 year olds wanted to see, #LC$BIGFLA$HYPLAY$

I feel the same way. I used play a lot. Then it started to decrease. I started playing more again when cinderhulk came out and you didn't have to have an arms race of who can get Zed and Lee first on your team. Now they are taking it away and I find myself on the boards more than actually playing the game.

This. Oh god this.

Cinderhulk meta, after the initial nerfs, was heaven because I could feel like I could choose a lot of champions I normally could be gimping myself.

Now? its either tanky AP mid or die to assassins. And top is a nightmare with the return of Riven ''mains''.

I GANK LANESAug 28, 20159 votes

except for the fact that lee and zed both have a win rate under 50%... just pointing a fact out, nothing to do with the OP. lee's actually at 45%, lol. now if you said shyvana and skarner i'd agree with you. they're both literally broken

BisaknospAug 29, 20152 votes

his winrate doesnt change the fact that his mobility+damage are way too high but better buff him right? just look at his numbers this is so dumb

BetawerewolfAug 28, 20158 votes

I've been playing League for almost 5 years (Every since MF was released in Sept. 2010). So back in the day we had as many issues as we do today (Xin Zhao, Akali, Irellia) and while these champions were ridiculous to compete, they were still somewhat fun to compete. From what I remember, things were still pretty bad but not as bad as today. I agree things started to go to bad around the time when fighters such as Darius and Jayce came out. Then you have Zed, Thresh, and Kalista.

I'm ignoring a lot of champs like Lee Sin and Riven but S3 was when it started to fall apart and S4 was when I realized it. When Riot halted the Lee Sin changes for the sake of LCS (Let's be real, that's why they did it) I thought it was stupid. You have edgy El1t3 playmakers that dominate LCS and yet they keep Kassadin (The most banned champion of the game at one point) down. They even reworked the jungle so that way they could appease both the Lee Sin fans and everyone else. There was still hope though, the jungle rework brought old champs back from the grave such as Warwick(Who then got nerfed righteously) and with cinderhulk. My favorite meta, the Tank Meta, might just return.

Of course though you had champs such as Rek'Sai, Kalista, and Ekko coming into the mix. Then you have the Veigar nerfs, Zilean Nerfs, and Cass Nerfs. I refuse to call those reworks if they didn't really balance the champion. The thing that kept me playing the game were mages like Anivia and Malzahar and I'm glad they haven't been touched yet by Riot. The game honestly had a good start but it collapsed with three things.

Champ Reworks that have Destroyed Champions Like stated above, Riot has consistently failed to rework certain champions and instead of reverting said changes, they leave the champion gutted and unplayable. Best example for this is Zilean. I'm sure Crazy Boris loves Riot for that rework. Morde is another example however since I never really liked Morde, I can't reallly sympathize one way or another.
Chroma Packs I know what you're about to think, "Oh geez another one of those whiners; the game's free to play get over it.". It is free to play but come on this has got to be the biggest money grab Riot Games has made.

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/31vuh0/hi_im_creating_whatever_chroma_you_can_want_for/

http://heroesofthestorm.wikia.com/wiki/Progression_Level

If you're trying to get a chroma pack because you enjoy how your character looks just for you and no other, you can just make your own color variations or have someone more experienced do it for you. This level of modification allows you to expand upon what you want your champion to look like and you can do it all for free. This reminds me of how Minecraft for Consoles sell you skins when on PC you can just make your own or download one for free.

As for HotS, I know some of you don't like the game because you like to last hit or you prefer to carry your team. That's perfectly fine by me but even HotS offers you a way to unlock free color variations for a hero you play. They even give you the option to buy a Master Skin (If you get level 10 mastery) for the champion with its own color variations as well.

The fact that Riot hasn't talked about chroma packs being unlockable after its release (Even when they said they'd consider it) leads me to the reason why I left this game.

Riot's Lack of Communication and Transparency to the Community. Community: When's Tribunal coming back? Riot: (Silence) / We're working on it.

Community: Have you considered Chroma Packs being unlockable through progression? Riot: ....... / (Talks about how in-game data shows that we need more time to plan for the future about how to create skins that people want and a debate about how to create a system of progression which doesn't answer the question being asked)

Community: Hey man, about that Morde Rework, can you add any solo potential. Riot: .......

Community: Hey man how about that Garen rework RiotRepetoir: I'm fully listening to all of your complaints and will respond to even other issues. (Best Riot Employee for actually communicating)

Riot Repetoir should be in charge of Riot since he understands what Communcation means.

In conclusion, I've had it with this game even Heroes of the Storm is a better MOBA. Just my opinion but hey. Sorry if anything I'm incorrect with some of the history of League. My memory is kinda fuzzy with some champs.

OctahadronAug 28, 20156 votes

I don't understand why people think balance is worse now. Sure it's bad, but back in the day it was hella worse. Remember release leblanc? or release Xin towerdiving at lvl 3? And don't anybody dare say season 1 was balanced. Sure the meta wasn't so locked in back then, but balance was practically nonexistant. I totally understand why people are frustrated by the lack of balance and how slow rito is to respond to op stuff, but balance has never been good. Deathfire grasp used to deal 10% of the enemies max health in magic damage every time you dealt magic damage to them. Malzahar could one-shot a team with his e.

I can't speak for everyone but I'm guessing most of the people who say they stopped playing because of lack of balance probably just got bored of the game and didn't realize it. If you've been playing the same game as long for years of course your enjoyment is going to decrease. Doing the same thing over and over is going to get old eventually. Honestly I think rito has done a pretty good job getting me to stick around as long as I have.

BetawerewolfAug 29, 20152 votes

I remember those days. I still hate seeing Le Blanc and Xin Zhao but I think it's not the balance of the game that's pissing people off. I think that it's their lack of communication about a number of things. Whether it's the Tribunal, Reworks, or even Chroma Packs, Riot has not really been transparent about any of these and make design decisions which make no sense.

For example, the Sandbox mode.

Say you want to see if Sated Nasus actually works. Most people who wish to experiment would usually try a custom game to see if it works. The problem is is that Sated takes time to acquire. A lot of people have time issues whether it's college, work, or family matters and so this kind of experimenting eats up their time. If you were a game dev thinking logically, you would more than likely include cheats, or a sandbox mode to reduce the time spent trying to get sated or anything that requires time. It's a custom game, who cares?

DOTA 2 has a sandbox mode (Custom game mode and then turn on cheats) SMITE is getting a sandbox mode Heroes of the Storm has a sandbox mode Call of Duty has a traning room Battlefield has a firing range Halo has forge (FPS's have competitive play which is why I'm referencing them)

League of Legends does not. If Riot were logical, they would say they don't want to invest resources into a project such as a sandbox mode because they want to focus their resources into x,y,z. Instead they say "Playing League of Legends (Normals or Ranked) should be the unequivicol way for players to improve". This is the kind of stuff that irritates people about Riot. Chroma packs is another example, you can say it's a company's right to make money and I don't disagree but I will say it is a greedy move when you can create your own and other games (See HotS and SMITE) offer you these color variations for free through progression.

If anybody has played Vindictus, you probably loved the game but despised Nexon. Same thing applies to League; people love the game but they despise Riot.

Also one other thing, Riot Repetoir is a good rioter.

AuryielAug 28, 201512 votes

You are actually very, very wrong about the game needing nerfs and not reworks.

The endless cycle of nerfing is exactly what has led us to the current problems we have. First of all, there are too many champions. Straight up. That's not a problem that can be fixed, however. What CAN fix this problem is having vastly different kits from champion to champion. This is Riot tried to do with Skarner and Mordekaiser. They don't really compete with anyone, because they have their own niche (well that's what they are trying to do anyway). Sure, they might not be played as often as a more generic champion, but that's ok as long as you can say ''In this situation, I really wanna pick Skarner'' (2 days ago that situation would have been always lmfao).

If you just keep nerfing anything that ends up on top, you continue the cycle of ''Who's got the biggest dick this patch?'' because too many champions compete to do the same thing. Say Soraka Sona Taric are the only viable supports because they heal like crazy and ALL THEY DO IS HEAL (this is total bs but just follow the example) you'll always end up picking the two best healers. Oh, Taric pulling ahead in healing? Better nerf him and have Soraka become n1 and Sona n2. Now, no one picks Taric. But there's more to each champion than healing. Taric is tankier, has a point and click stun, armor aura and armor shred and is melee. Sona has her auras, poke and engage while Soraka is THE healer. They don't really compete for the same spots in a team.

The ultimate goal is to have most champions fill a niche and not have 6 champions compete for the same niche and just pick whoever's the best. Of course, some champions like Thresh are generalists and fill more than one niche, but as long as they don't do EVERYTHING too well, they COULD be fine. Thresh is not fine because of the number of tools he has. He's just TOO MUCH of a generalist. Getting to the point where each champion as a role they can fulfil best is a very long, arduous process and tbh I'm not sure this dream will ever become a reality, but it's a far better long term goal than the absolute short-sightedness of ''nerf everything''. If Riot had started doing this 4 years ago, we'd have a magnificent game right now instead of what LoL has become.

p.s. If you think FoN deserves a place in this game, you're clearly out of touch with how shitty this single item made life for every single mage back then. It might as well have said ''Do NOT try to interact wtih me, you WILL waste your mana and probably die''.