There is nothing else to ban. Ban anything else but these runeglaive/sated junglers and you instantly go "AW I FORGOT TO BAN X" and you get flamed by your team afterwards. I constantly see people giving up in champ select, because someone didn't ban a jungler the enemy team picked.
Thanks for all the changes to the jungle items riot. Champ select is so healthy now and the actual game so fun and exciting :)
TheI3igDaddy26 votesGEE WILICKERS IF ONLY THEY GAVE US 1 OR 2 MORE BANS CONSIDERING THE CHAMP POOL NOW
ilt7 votesi perma ban diana because she keeps deleting our ADC
RowanEnd3 votescough cough Leblanc ahri lux vel'koz katarina annie cass azir melt adc's too cough cough
Anrui1 votesI main both Shyvana and Diana and they have always been champions that I've always enjoyed playing but I go by one rule now. If I'm not blue side first pick, there's a high chance that I will ban both of them. As a main of them, I know how insanely powerful they are right now. Diana isn't just overwhelming in the jungle. She's overwhelming both top and mid as well. Her early laning phase is always quite weak but after she hits 6 it doesn't matter she can nearly 1 shot you with no damage items.
The thing about lane Diana is that she can be easily shut down if the enemy jungler knows that she is an easy target pre 6 and harasses her. Jungle Diana however is very hard to hold down as in the jungle she can almost always pick up consistent farm due to her fast and easy clears. And if she gets a kill, welp....
MLDzXnRRR6 votesThey overbuffed Shyvana... she is only dmg and brings nothing to her team, her ganks are also bad.
Prospector Pete2 votesThe problem with guys like this(
) is that they deal a ton of damage, but are super hard to kill.
kile1472 votesThat's kind of the Bruiser niche, and also why they are notoriously hard to balance well.
TheFirstGokun3 votesThat's literally the reason they have to keep nerfing 
. Same with pre rework 
, 
, 
, etc. They can't give these champs more rewards because they have/had little to no risk. It's even the reason they're trying to put Mordekaiser in botlane, he's just too hard to balance in a solo lane because he has NOTHING outside of damage and tankiness.
Dracid15 votesThey overbuffed Shyvana... she is only dmg and brings nothing to her team, her ganks are also bad.
lol they didnt overbuff shyv. when will people stop saying this. Devourer is what made her godlike again.
MLDzXnRRR1 voteslol they didnt overbuff shyv. when will people stop saying this. Devourer is what made her godlike again.
Try trading with her after the recent buffs... she deals too much dmg that can't be countered by getting resistances -she attack you with physical and deals mainly magic dmg. Also look the patch history - buff after buff. And her model looks really bad.
Dracid3 votesTry trading with her after the recent buffs... she deals too much dmg that can't be countered by getting resistances -she attack you with physical and deals mainly magic dmg. Also look the patch history - buff after buff. And her model looks really bad.
again, the devourer is what makes her so strong. learn how the item works with her please
Partholonian6 votesThe only thing devourer breaks is 
. All the "OP devourer" champs are actually abusing the insane synergy between those two items. And of the two, it is BOTRK that deserves the nerfbat more, because it can be broken by itself, and does too many things at once and does them too well.
Trash ADC Btw6 votes
Double the on-hit true-damage? Why you shouldn't have, Riot.
Ace Access 1 votesyeah you really shouldn't have
Bouffon dAnglais1 votesActually, Vayne's true damage isn't really an on hit. If it was doubling from Devourer, boy, we'd be in trouble.
Trash ADC Btw2 votesIt is doubling from devourer. It applies two rings from her Silver Bolts on hit passive every shot. She triggers silver bolts twice every three AAs instead of once every three now. Specifically,
Attack 1: 2 rings Attack 2: Trigger +1 ring Attack 3: Trigger Repeat.
It's triggering two times every three hits.
Anrui1 votesShyvana has always attacked with physical but dealt mainly magic damage. Devourer is honestly what makes her so insanely powerful because it synergizes so well and essentially makes her damage go up exponentially. She can literally 2 shot people now, even when far behind with just a devourer and BORK.
I've always been a Shyvana player, for several seasons now and I must say she is more broken than she has ever been right now and it's not soley due to her buffs. It's mainly the new devourer double procing her on-hits. Remember, literally ALL of her kit is on-hit effects that stack with devourer. Her Q, W, and E all do on-hit damage and double proc with devourer.
Anrui1 votesDevourer is stronger on Shyvana than any other champion in the game (well damage wise). She has so many AA procs in her kit it makes my head spin thinking about it, not to mention she benefits greatly from the attack speed and of course . I'm a jungler main and have been playing Shyvana for a long time and she has never been stronger than she is right now. I've done some crazy things with devourer Shyvana, including recently standing in the middle of a fiddlesticks ult, their mid laner and adc 1v3 and literally 2 shotting the mid laner and adc and I didn't 2 shot Fidds because he had Zhonyas. All of them were quite fed and I was actually behind...but once you get sated you can do some crazy damage, even if they are massively fed.
I've played pretty much everything there is to be played with sated and not much comes even close to Shyvana. And the most horrible thing about Devourer Shyvana? You only need 2 items. The rest you can build pure tank, you'll still 2 shot carries.
(Btw, Devourer Tahm is an absolute monster as well. Double hit works with his passive, so the more health you stack the more damage you do.)
Skoonie1 votesDoes it also apply 2 stacks of your passive?
Anrui1 votesOn Tahm? No it does not. Though since you have a lot of attack speed he can apply them extremely fast if he can auto them. The only thing it works with is the passive damage from his ult. (That being said, it applies that + the bonus devourer damage on-hit so you can be doing hundreds of bonus magic damage per hit and still be quite beefy.) However, I've yet to feel comfortable enough with it to use it in ranked. Devourer Tahm is the best jungle build there is for him, I can tell you that. I tried him with Cinderhulk...
On Shyvana, I am not entirely sure but I believe that it does apply double rage. I might actually pay more attention to it next time I play Shyvy.
Messaiga1 votesShyvana was already one of the best junglers in the game before Sated Devourer was released (she literally ranked #1 on champion.gg). This was a result of her buff in patch 5.11. Sated Devourer just made her absolutely broken, rather than OP.
Dracid1 votesShyvana was already one of the best junglers in the game before Sated Devourer was released (she literally ranked #1 on champion.gg). This was a result of her buff in patch 5.11. Sated Devourer just made her absolutely broken, rather than OP.
nnot sure what game you were playing but it wasnt league if you think she was the bets jungler before sated came out
Messaiga1 votesOk, she wasn't the best. But she was already extremely potent, Sated Devourer simply pushed her into the realm of ridiculous (thus warranting a perma-ban). If they reverted Devourer to it's previous state she'd still be very strong.
I GANK LANES1 votesshyvana's damage and dueling potential is riduclous even early game. with the passive of sated devourer and bork she literally decimates you just by smashing the keyboard cuz of all the on-hit effects, it's seriously bullshit
Anrui1 votesShyvana has always been one of the best duelists in the game, especially in the jungle but the new devourer makes her literally god tier because everything she has procs with it.
Dr Poro6 votesmy bans:
Actually, I'm currently starting to ban 
everytime aswell. She's been OP for a while, but her popularity is growing too high lately.
Bisaknosp4 votesonly noobs call ahri op
Diananmen Square5 votesWell she isn't OP, but I think she is too well-rounded.
She can do everything right. She has poke , burst , mobility , sustain, not to name more.
Bisaknosp6 votes
muh skill muh outplay
still 1 shots without ult k
Sinlaire5 votesI always ban 
.
I always have junglers go "he's low lets gank him."
He's level 6 with 1/3 of his mana bar. have fun with that. i'll back and avoid the double kill while you help me lose lane.
Blastires6 votesYou don't gank the Donger. He ganks you.
Trash ADC Btw1 votesThe only way to beat heimerdinger is to focus down his turrets until he has none in reserve, still catch him and manage to finish him, OR..
You can snipe him. Cait ult. Varus Q. Blitz hook. Something like that.
Skoonie1 votes
Anrui1 votesAs a jungle main is the bane of my existence. If he's in my game I tell the laner I will never gank him ever, period. However, I always end up trying at least once usually resulting in a double kill for the Donger.
TotalJerk5 votesYou should be banning supports. I don't know why, but no matter how broken a support gets, no one will ban them. When was the last time you saw a Janna ban?
Icestar11865 votesWhen was the last time you saw a good Janna below Gold? Either you are awesome and carry or you aren't good enough with her yet and you don't.
Forn ala creme4 votesSo true, Rito took a step too far with these new items.
TurquoiseYoshi3 votesShyvana and Kayle both have >50% ban rates in Plat+ ranked games. Shyvana is banned in two-thirds of Plat+ ranked games.
YCitizenSnipsY2 votesShyvana has a >50% ban in plat+ but is banned by tho-thirds of plat+ ranked games.
wouldn't that make Shyvana's ban rate above 50% in plat+?
The Quinndred4 votesThis > sign means greater than. What he said was right.
Mandang01 votesbeat me to it, haha
The Quinndred4 votesYou know what they say, "The early bird GUTS the worm!" 
xJLx MCHammer2 votesRiven Elise Ahri Master yi (too many idiots trying it) Shyvana
Only Play Darius7 votesClearly you have never seen Sated Yi get to late game.
Devack The Holy1 votesNo, and that's because the game usually ends by the time he gets 30 stacks.
WELCOME TO SEASON 4, NEW GUYS!
Anrui2 votesIt's not hard to get 30 stacks with the new devourer. Unless the game has literally gone so downhill that you literally can't do anything really, you can get 30 stacks by 20-25 minutes. You get double stacks from scuttlecrabs and champion kills/assists as well as a whopping 5 from dragons.
Devack The Holy1 votesYou don't get it. Go look up Feral Flare Yi vids. Then go look up Sated Devourer Yi vids.
THE ENEMY TEAM IS FINISHED ONCE HE HITS 30 STACKS!
Anrui1 votesYou can get sated devourer faster than you can get stacks on flare. Flare encouraged you to just stay in the jungle until you are farmed up and strong. Devourer actually rewards you for doing things other than straight up hard farming.
Devack The Holy1 votesSigh...
Kids these days.
Flare gained stacks upon champ kills, assists, and large and epic monster kills. Sound familiar? Doesn't exactly sound like "hard farming the jungle" to me.
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Wriggle%27s_Lantern
"Wriggle's Lantern automatically transforms into Feral Flare upon gaining 30 champions kills, assists and large or epic monsters kills. This counter begins upon purchasing Hunter's Machete, and capped at 29 unless you upgrade into Wriggle's Lantern ."
AbodyHUN6661 votesActually when I tried Yi he was suprisingly good and easy to use.
