I played Kayn the first time last night.

Ralanr··4 votes·454 views

Got fed, went Shadow Assassin because the only durable person on the enemy team that Rhaast would have been good against was Mega Gnar. Grabbed item 3147 and item 3142 in my build as well as item 3026 and tried to build item 3812 in the end. Ended the game with I think 17/4/? (can't remember assists). We lost.

My thoughts? He's more or less fine (course I haven't played Rhaast into a tanky team yet). He's a big snowballer that prefers ganking over farming and his only sustain early is his roaming/escape tool (which is pretty powerful if you don't get hit). Despite the early damage thanks to assassin passive, he feels like he has to stay in fights for a decent time to get kills. I think he's a skirmisher, so that makes sense. His Assassin W is pretty fun, dare I say I enjoy it more than the knock up version.

Kinda sucks in teamfights from my experience, though my experience of playing him was just one game as shadow assassin. Even so, that makes sense I guess since assassins aren't great teamfighters in the first place (are aren't supposed to be, that's why they fall off late because of grouping).

So I don't think Shadow Assassin is really weak. Rhaast might be too strong, idk he might need nerfs to some sustain. What are your thoughts on Shadow Assassin?

12 Comments

Rockm Sockm1 votes

Rhaast is fine and Sa is fine on the pbe.

He will still see a low pick rate and limited pro play because he's easy to abuse early.

Ralanr1 votes

What are the SA changes on the PBE?

Ahristocats2 votes

nothing atm

Penns2 votes

Except for the 40% AD ratio increase to his ult dmg*

Malicious Metal2 votes

That affects Kayn too.

AuraCreed1 votes

Does it? I was under the impression it was SA only.

Raven Redeemed2 votes

Both Kayn and SA share the same ult scaling. SA just adds more range and resets passive.

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

it's because his Q is too balanced towards jungle camps.

Penns1 votes

Well lethality is probably overtuned and Rhaast is still the better form so.. meh. I think he is ok, maybe fine with the pbe buff. Tho it is kind of weird how Rhaast does more damage than SA Kayn with ult and Q xd

Ralanr1 votes

Honestly with how targeted his ult is, I'm glad it doesn't do more damage.

hhaavviikk1 votes

he's great when ahead, shit when even or slightly behind from my experience

Karn Bishop1 votes

Shadow assassin will always be trash due to how Q movement locks you for extended periods of time making it easy as heck for a braum or caitlyn to apply their CC, in fact no other assassin in the game has an offensive ability which removes a player from controlling them for as long as kaynes Q does to him which is a major problem many overlook.

There is also another problem which is most assassins need a solid early game in order to thrive and its often not uncommon to not be able to get assassin form until early mid game which as you expect tends to be a problem.

So to me it is no wonder that assassin is so crap i mean how couldn't it be given these massively heavy weaknesses other assassins simply don't have.

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