Riot, Is frozen mallet just too hard to balance? Make the passive an active. Solved!!!!!!

Occams Raiser··1 votes·318 views

I think to build it on certain characters but It always seems to pricey for anyone's build. I say to myself "Naw, could spend it on something better." It seems to be one of those items that is OP or UP. How about you give it an active that is the same as the current passive but it has a cooldown and it's icy only last for a certain amount seconds. Then you could balance it by changing cooldowns, cost, and Icy duration.

Active Unique – Icy: Your basic attacks slow your target's Movement Speed by 40% for 1.5 seconds (30% slow for ranged attacks). Cooldown 90 seconds. Duration 5 seconds. No bonus attack damage during cooldown.

For god sakes make it a little cheaper!

Frozen Mallet (NEW) 3000 Gold (1125)

Pickaxe 875 Gold

Giant's Belt 1000 Gold (600 Gold)

Stats +550 health +30 attack damage

10 Comments

TheDirtyMango2 votes

nothing wrong with it the item is fine

masterdragon4812 votes

It would be pathetically weak if you did that.

Frozen mallet, while powerful, trades off a lot to give you the perma slow. Overall it's an item in a good place.

Occams Raiser1 votes

The no damage during cooldown was just an example of how to give utility without making it a must have for every adc. Some would say no damage, screw that. While Vayne would say, come to mama.

It would be pathetically weak if you did that.

So if Nautilus rolled up on you with Wits end and this Frozen Mallet you would just laugh it off. Cassiopeia could Drop poison cloud on you and make you walk through it slow getting double slow on you before she even used twin fang. Its utility is so beast they make it worthless to get. How can something be worthless on nearly every champ and there still be nothing wrong with it?

Unless..... unless worthlessness was by design. Wait....you aren't from Riot are you?

masterdragon4811 votes

I didn't say the item was worthless. I said that your change, an active of 5 seconds, would make the item useless. And for reference, and I don't mean this to be offensive, the term worthless means "without worth" meaning that the item is very bad. Since your argument seems to be stating that frozen mallet is good on everyone, it is the opposite of worthless.

Frozen Mallet is very powerful on the right champion. But those champions usually aren't adc's. FM is geared towards fighters and bruisers like Darius and Shyvana; champions that need to stick to their targets and usually have to expend resources getting to their targets.

Personally, I wouldn't really mind a Naut with FM. He has enough CC otherwise that I'm probably dead if I get caught by him regardless. Also, if he invested in just health and magic resist, he is kinda weak against physical damage at that point and perhaps I can just beat him in a fight.

Also, mallet is HORRIBLE on Vayne; since she has to be within most CC ranges/dashes to attack, her opponents can close on her regardless of her 30% slow. It is much more beneficial to pick up more lifesteal/banshees as an adc. You might be able to justify mallet on a long ranged carry like jinx or kog, but ehh.

Frozen Mallet gives a small amount of attack damage, some health, and the ability to stick to a target. That's it. It doesn't give any resistances (health as a tanky stat only goes so far) and it gives no initiation power. The ONLY champion I rush the item on is Shyvana because the resistances she receives via her passive makes it a slightly more cost efficient item. Other than that, this is mostly a late game item because the ability to slow a target down doesn't matter if you are dead; something frozen mallet doesn't really do a good job protecting from.

Occams Raiser1 votes

I wasn't offended. AND what i feel isn't the same as the perception of the community. Why do we never see it? Its build is such that if you try to buy you will get out scaled for a little while so people don't go to it. If you are fed enough to get it you probably no longer need it. If you are behind you can't afford it.

Example of worth: Spell vamp is worth little to most so why not buff it? Cause then Cass would break the game. I use it on her and it sees play. I can get it whether I am ahead or behind and it bolsters my game. There is a reason it is what it is and why there isn't more spell vamp in the game.

Frozen mallet is predominantly bought buy those that are winning. So any Icing on the cake item probably wasn't needed in the first place. Their aren't a lot of luxury items in the game. It is used 2% of the time. There is something wrong with it. Will of the Ancients gets more use.

Giving it an active window and a cooldown gives it a legit reason to be lowered in price and a way to be regulated. As mobility has increased its value has decreased even more. It is not an item that has kept up with the times. maybe the active time is slow but that gives RIot something to play with. I just want a cool ass premise to be on an item that gets used more.

masterdragon4811 votes

I don't think of Frozen Mallet that way, I find more use for the item as a SUPER peel item for an adc late game. I have pulled irelia's off my ADC with mallet (and it took longer than 5 seconds to do so, better nerf irelia).

I agree that it is a niche item, and its build path is kinda bad, and it is a little redundant (if you are fed enough to get it, you don't need it, etc). However, I don't have a problem with that at all. It serves its purpose very well and personally, I think it is an underappreciated item. I think if people realized how to play with it and incorporate it into their builds riot would be forced to look at it as a slightly too powerful item.

Occams Raiser1 votes

I agree that it is a niche item, and its build path is kinda bad, and it is a little redundant (if you are fed enough to get it, you don't need it, etc).

Well once you agree with me on all the downsides but say you aren't really concerned with any of the downsides, I can see why you think its a fine item. You gave me a chuckle.

"I agree with your argument and I have concluded while all your points are valid, I find them equally irrelevant."

Occams Raiser1 votes

Its like how you have champs that rarely get played so they get reworked. same thing. I guess you are going to tell me you see it get built a lot.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

so you want to make the item even worse than it is now?

Occams Raiser1 votes

State your point. Don't say worse with no back up. I obviously think that its better this way in some capacity and I have said why.

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