Morgana Support Was Once Considered A Troll Pick

Mira Arya Enthe·Nov 14, 2016·3 votes·1,006 views

DO NOT REPORT A SUMMONER FOR NOT STICKING TO THE METAGAME

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752884-Reporting-a-Player#h2q5

Riot can't follow their own rules

https://m.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/5cupmb/2_million_mastery_point_smite_support_singed/?compact=true

Morgana support was once considered a troll pick. Playing Teemo support is still considered a troll pick. This guy doesn't deserve this. What is next? Are we going to be banned for buying AP on Jax just because he was "meant" to be played AD? Is Leona bruiser top not allowed(I like my sun warrior to deal damage not be a CC bot)? What is allowed Riot? We need a list apparently of how we are required to build and play our champions.

21 Comments

RalanrNov 14, 20164 votes

Wasn't the reason he was banned was not because he was Singed support but because he was doing the proxy Singed strategy and leaving his ADC alone throughout all of laning?

Mira Arya EntheNov 14, 20161 votes

Not buying a sightstone, "refusing to communicate with team during champ select", not being in lane with ADC

Better report nearly every Bard I have ever seen. Fits all three.

TyrekGoldenspearNov 14, 20165 votes

Except that...

This Singed qeued for support.
He took smite.
He forced a duo jungle.
He left the ADC alone to get stomped.

The proxy strategy is fine for a toplane singed but you can't do that as a support.

You didn't get the whole story.

Mira Arya EntheNov 14, 20161 votes

I did. Their rule is about off meta PLAY not picks. Support bot lane is the METAGAME... reporting for not doing it "as intended" is against the summoner's code. As much as it would suck when I am playing Ashe. It doesn't break the rules to do it.

TyrekGoldenspearNov 14, 20163 votes

Yeah, I get that. But my main point was he was banned for trolling. That's what it boils down to.

The employee worded it horribly but he was banned for trolling. By queuing as a support yet not playing as a support. He didn't do a thing to support the team and instead went duo jungle.

There's nothing wrong with Singed support, the problem was that he didn't even attempt to support.

Mira Arya EntheNov 14, 20161 votes

Again. Support even existing is the METAGAME. Following it isn't required. I wouldn't want to play with him. But they either need to change the summoner's code or stop banning him. Can't have both.

TyrekGoldenspearNov 14, 20161 votes

Okay, but that isn't part of the code. It's part of the support page, which by the look of it is REALLY old, like before proper lanes were established. :P

Also, if this was in a normal game I wouldn't mind so much.

if it was in a ranked game I'd be worried, that's all.

Also if he refused to coordinate with his team and they lost because of it he could be reported for not being part of the team.

Mira Arya EntheNov 14, 20161 votes

He has a positive win rate and KDA with this strategy. And sure he may not be communicating properly or grouping. But that is proxy singed in general. Most Singed players mute their team on spawn.

DeathBurstNov 14, 20162 votes

Queuing for Support only means you'll leave the "standard" gold incomes (3 lanes + jungle) to your other allies. Not that you have to go Bot lane.
Picking whatever Summoners you want is not a banable offense. I've seen ADC get rekt because they didn't take heal, and they weren't reported for that.
If we're talking about the same guy, he invades the enemy jungle, deny income to their Jungler, and doesn't take gold from his allied Jungler. Nothing wrong with that.
THIS may be a problem, but that's the only semi-valid argument in your list. Leaving someone un-prepared 1v2 is a bad idea. That being said, if you actually communicate with your team and get a Caitlyn, Sivir, or anything able to wave-clear under tower and to stay safe while being alone, it's perfectly possible to have a 1v2 bot and to play Double Jungle. Which leads to the probably real reason he got banned: lack of communication and coordination with his team, and not his actual champion pick.

TyrekGoldenspearNov 14, 20161 votes

Does he do this in ranked games? That is my only other question.

If he does then that's a problem. It isn't okay to put other people's LP on the line because you're going off meta without letting your team know and giving them a chance to dodge or something if they aren't comfortable with that idea.

DeathBurstNov 14, 20163 votes

I don't know, but I don't care. You don't "put other people's LP on the line" if you have a real plan in mind and if you try your very best to win the game.

Once again, the pick and the strategy are fine, he probably wasn't banned for that, but for antagonizing/not communicating with the rest of his team, and not explaining to them what he wanted to do. And incidentally, that gives them the opportunity to dodge, but meh... Dodging is 15 minutes lost and -3 LP at least, I wouldn't do it just because of an off-meta pick.

EDIT: well, I replied before reading the actual support ticket linked in OP, and I felt guilty of talking without having all elements, so I went and actually read it. Riot basically said exactly what I told above.

RalanrNov 14, 20161 votes

Bard at least has a reason to come back to lane and was designed with this in mind.

Again, there's nothing reportable about OFF meta picks as long as you actually try to fulfill the role you picked. Going support and making bot lane a 1v2 (outside of Bard because Bard can at least get there quick enough) kinda just sounds like being a dick.

Mira Arya EntheNov 14, 20161 votes

Their rule is about off meta PLAY not picks. Support bot lane is the METAGAME... reporting for not doing it "as intended" is against the summoner's code.

PrimaquariusNov 14, 20163 votes

I thought Morgana was ONLY a support, since people take a champion, see they have high CC/base damage, and say they aren't anything but a support. Im one of the few people who made Mid Morgana as great as it always has been, and it should stay that way.

Mira Arya EntheNov 14, 20161 votes

Morg was a mid mage. Blitz was meant to be a bruiser top. And Kassadin was meant to be a DPS focused anti-mage fighter.

SanctimoniousNov 14, 20162 votes

I remember when morg support came out, in i think Season 4? That caused her to be nerfed and changed haha. She was definitely a Top / Mid / Jungler.

MimyNov 14, 20162 votes

Looks like I'm next as a teemo support. Hah.

Your Real MomNov 14, 20162 votes

In seasons 1 and 2 people used to play her as a top lane. Just a fun fact.

Big LincolnNov 14, 20161 votes

Teemo support is a report every game

from what I hear this guys ban wasn't because of support singed, it was because he was forcing a double jungle and ignoring his ADC

RavenhaleNov 14, 20161 votes

REPORT A SUMMONER FOR NOT FOCUSING ON THE TEAM ASPECT OF THE GAME

You can't post one of their "Do Not's" without acknowledging that his behavior did fall under one of their "Do's".

I find that page funny, since the example with Darius and Lux seems to suggest you can report your Jungler for saying they will never Gank for you.

Besides, that page is about Players reporting Players. Riot did not report this Singed. Players did. And Riot would only respond to those complaints if they felt those reports fell under one of their "Do's".