Will there ever be a tank item that can mitigate true damage?

Tworie·Dec 25, 2015·4 votes·726 views

Just saying it's kinda bs getting melted by Yi or Fiora when you have like 600 armor as Rammus

23 Comments

IcyPepperDec 25, 201513 votes

It wouldn't be true damage if you could mitigate it.

The only way to mitigate true damage is to not take it at all.

Flat true damage can be countered by building flat health (since resistances are pointless), and scaling true damage is going to melt tanks in the first place. My best advice, in terms of build, against percent true damage is to build against their primary damage type (armor against Fiora, thornmail, etc) and try to avoid what procs the damage or have a reason for taking the damage in the first place. You wouldn't want to 1v1 a Vayne as a tank, but getting focused with silver bolts is worth it if your Zed is flanking her and she hasn't noticed.

Not everything can be 100% counterbuilt, and not everything can be 100% counterplayed. It's just the name of the game.

FadedFreezyDec 25, 20153 votes

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It wouldn't be true damage if you could mitigate it.

The only way to mitigate true damage is to not take it at all.

Flat true damage can be countered by building flat health (since resistances are pointless), and scaling true damage is going to melt tanks in the first place. My best advice, in terms of build, against percent true damage is to build against their primary damage type (armor against Fiora, thornmail, etc) and try to avoid what procs the damage or have a reason for taking the damage in the first place. You wouldn't want to 1v1 a Vayne as a tank, but getting focused with silver bolts is worth it if your Zed is flanking her and she hasn't noticed.

Not everything can be 100% counterbuilt, and not everything can be 100% counterplayed. It's just the name of the game.

What this person said.

Big LincolnDec 25, 20153 votes

build health

dangopeeDec 25, 20152 votes

Fiora Vayne % max hp true damage

Big LincolnDec 25, 20154 votes

good thing you can build health AND armor instead of just stacking one like an asshole

DreadlocksDec 25, 20152 votes

item 3110 item 3075

MunchCrunchLunchDec 25, 20151 votes

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% max hp true damage

right. and forumers act like retards as if they don't know. "stack health you idiot not just armor".

MunchCrunchLunchDec 25, 20151 votes

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build health

get melted by percent health damage. vayne

Social Justice 1Dec 25, 20153 votes

Try actually attacking the Yi.

TworieDec 25, 20151 votes

I did... He just melted through all that health and armor... I had Thornmail, Sunfire, Deadman's, Ninja Tabi, and a Zz'rot to get some extra armor along with more magic resist and an executioner's calling to counter his healing

windwolf777Dec 27, 20151 votes

MasterYi , especially item 3931 / item 3930 does lots of all 3 types damage. So build things that help against most of the enemy team. Say, if it's 3 ad, 1 AP, and the support, you would build more armor.

Posui GartDec 25, 20152 votes

For Yi-Frozenheart for -AS, and hp. Part of his damage is magical too(Guinsoo, Devourer) For Fiora-she can't proc vitals while she is taunted

MunchCrunchLunchDec 25, 20151 votes

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For Yi-Frozenheart for -AS, and hp. Part of his damage is magical too(Guinsoo, Devourer) For Fiora-she can't proc vitals while she is taunted

she can get qss for that.

Sir YamazukiDec 25, 20153 votes

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For Yi-Frozenheart for -AS, and hp. Part of his damage is magical too(Guinsoo, Devourer) For Fiora-she can't proc vitals while she is taunted

FH does nothing to Yi during his ult. If you want to kill Yi then you should never build defensive as he'll just automatically win the 1v1 anyways. If you build defensive and the Yi isn't bad the your only option is forcing him to team fight, or lose the game.

Asayake 5150glowDec 25, 20151 votes

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FH does nothing to Yi during his ult. If you want to kill Yi then you should never build defensive as he'll just automatically win the 1v1 anyways. If you build defensive and the Yi isn't bad the your only option is forcing him to team fight, or lose the game.

...Frozenheart slows attackspeed, yes it does do something because it doesn't count as a slow. I think the best counter to Yi is either the old item 3143 + item 3110 or just one-shotting him.

EndlessSorcererDec 25, 20152 votes

During patch 3.13 or 3.14, they changed attack speed slows to count as movement speed slows for most interactions.

Since Master Yi's Highlander and Ragnarok's ultimate make them immune to movement speed slows, it means that they are immune to attack speed slows too.

Similarly, Frozen Heart's aura counts counts when determining whether Liandry's Torments burn damage will be doubled.

Asayake 5150glowDec 26, 20151 votes

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During patch 3.13 or 3.14, they changed attack speed slows to count as movement speed slows for most interactions.

Since Master Yi's Highlander and Ragnarok's ultimate make them immune to movement speed slows, it means that they are immune to attack speed slows too.

Similarly, Frozen Heart's aura counts counts when determining whether Liandry's Torments burn damage will be doubled.

...wut... sht. Well, they work well enough against Aatrox and Vayne?

Well, I guess your best bet is to one-shot them then.

The Sword SaintDec 25, 20152 votes

No. That's the point of true damage, it's designed to punch holes in tanks and fighters.

shyvDec 25, 20151 votes

the only counterplay is to ban vayne

MunchCrunchLunchDec 25, 20151 votes

poppy. oh wait. i meant to say the old poppy.

Asayake 5150glowDec 25, 20151 votes

I literally had item 3143 (stacked two of them) against a MasterYi + Yasuo , their team was almost entirely AD, and still I expect I would've done better if I went with item 3074 item 3812 / item 3071 and one-shot all of them.