Why does Riven get mobility, damage, crowd control, AND tankiness???

Tworie·Feb 20, 2017·11 votes·2,623 views

It's kinda bullshit not being able to catch her You can't even do any damage to her as a tank since her shield scales off of AD, too...

73 Comments

Asayake 5150glowFeb 20, 20174 votes

She's not tanky.

Fuck off.

Sahn UzalFeb 20, 20174 votes

OP was probably refering to her E, which gives her a lot more effective health over the course of a fight.

SkiasFeb 20, 20171 votes

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She's not tanky.

Fuck off.

Her first rush item is a massive HP item...

Asayake 5150glowFeb 21, 20173 votes

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Her first rush item is a massive HP item...

But it's not though. BC is a damage focused item.

SkiasFeb 21, 20171 votes

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But it's not though. BC is a damage focused item.

Hardly. And after the changes go through, it will be even more HP focused. BC, Youmuu changes and mastery changes are definitely going to make Riven players think twice about rushing BC, because holy lord that build path will be bad for her lol.

Asayake 5150glowFeb 21, 20173 votes

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Hardly. And after the changes go through, it will be even more HP focused. BC, Youmuu changes and mastery changes are definitely going to make Riven players think twice about rushing BC, because holy lord that build path will be bad for her lol.

'After the changes'.

Well guess what, changes haven't gone through yet. You don't think armor shred and 50 AD is offensive?

SkiasFeb 21, 20171 votes

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'After the changes'.

Well guess what, changes haven't gone through yet. You don't think armor shred and 50 AD is offensive?

Changes that are already pretty much set in stone and it will be 40AD, with a kindlegem build path instead of Caulfield's Hammer. Yes, her ability to rush that and snowball with be severely crippled with the mastery damage trimming.

Asayake 5150glowFeb 21, 20173 votes

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Changes that are already pretty much set in stone and it will be 40AD, with a kindlegem build path instead of Caulfield's Hammer. Yes, her ability to rush that and snowball with be severely crippled with the mastery damage trimming.

Do you think that this guy is complaining about how tanky Riven will be in the future, or how tanky she is now?

It's the latter, by the way.

In other words, she's not tanky. Fuck. Off. I don't care about the Cleaver changes - ok, yeah, I do, but it's not relevant to Riven's tankiness right now.

SkiasFeb 21, 20171 votes

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Do you think that this guy is complaining about how tanky Riven will be in the future, or how tanky she is now?

It's the latter, by the way.

In other words, she's not tanky. Fuck. Off. I don't care about the Cleaver changes - ok, yeah, I do, but it's not relevant to Riven's tankiness right now.

She is, though. She has quite a bit of effective health and survivability. You can keep telling me to fuck off, but she has a low CD shield that scales with her health. Tankiness in the traditional sense? No, she's not Taric. She is hard as fuck to kill, and very very fast.

Asayake 5150glowFeb 21, 20172 votes

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She is, though. She has quite a bit of effective health and survivability. You can keep telling me to fuck off, but she has a low CD shield that scales with her health. Tankiness in the traditional sense? No, she's not Taric. She is hard as fuck to kill, and very very fast.

No shit, she's hard to kill because she is a melee carry who has to get into melee range.

That does not mean she's tanky. If she eats every skillshot, she's still dying in a single rotation.

SkiasFeb 21, 20171 votes

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No shit, she's hard to kill because she is a melee carry who has to get into melee range.

That does not mean she's tanky. If she eats every skillshot, she's still dying in a single rotation.

Since when? Almost every lethality item she buys gives her added durability. MR, HP, and CDR = Tons of effective health for Riven. Where have you been? Low CD E Shield. Low CD EoN Spellshield.

Asayake 5150glowFeb 21, 20172 votes

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Since when? Almost every lethality item she buys gives her added durability. MR, HP, and CDR = Tons of effective health for Riven. Where have you been? Low CD E Shield. Low CD EoN Spellshield.

Since forever and into the future too.

Was not aware Youmuus and Duskblade gave defensive stats. You can't call 35 mr 'tanky'.

SkiasFeb 21, 20171 votes

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Since forever and into the future too.

Was not aware Youmuus and Duskblade gave defensive stats. You can't call 35 mr 'tanky'.

and a spellshield. I'm getting tired of conversing with you just because you have this attitude of butt hurt when it's suggested that she has many life saving devices within this build.

FTWolfFeb 22, 20171 votes

All I'm saying is literally every melee carry has something to keep them safe, yas shield, windwall, fiora riposte/inate lifesteal, yi w, q, literally everyone

SkiasFeb 22, 20171 votes

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All I'm saying is literally every melee carry has something to keep them safe, yas shield, windwall, fiora riposte/inate lifesteal, yi w, q, literally everyone

Yeah, but Riven's got survivability on overkill. She's very very hard to pin down. A reasonably experienced Riven will almost always escape because of how much freedom she has in her 4 dashes. Add in her E shield, spellshield, Youmuu's active and flash... good luck.

FTWolfFeb 23, 20171 votes

You're obviously making a huge deal out of this when right now she isn't all that great, her items got nerfed, damages across the board got nerfed and you're complaining that she can get away with all those abilities, yet she uses flash to engage, most likely used q3, and all her cd's there is no way that you couldn't pin her down for at least 1 second which you certainly should be able to do.

SkiasFeb 22, 20171 votes

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Since forever and into the future too.

Was not aware Youmuus and Duskblade gave defensive stats. You can't call 35 mr 'tanky'.

They do give great utility however, as well as a fuck ton of damage. I would also argue that Youmuu's active can DEFINITELY be used defensively by a champ with 4 dashes.

dominusxFeb 20, 20173 votes

CC her blow her up. She never buys health outside cleaver and people only get a ga as far as resistance go. Her shield is her only defence which cannot be used while cc'd. She is oppresive in lane but that's it lol..

SkiasFeb 20, 20171 votes

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CC her blow her up. She never buys health outside cleaver and people only get a ga as far as resistance go. Her shield is her only defence which cannot be used while cc'd. She is oppresive in lane but that's it lol..

With proper timing, she can break CC with it.

dominusxFeb 20, 20173 votes

stop with that monkey bs about cc canceling it's not a viable mechanic and it's succes rate is lower than 10%.

VoraciousXFeb 20, 20173 votes

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stop with that monkey bs about cc canceling it's not a viable mechanic and it's succes rate is lower than 10%.

They also removed it like a patch or two ago

SkiasFeb 21, 20171 votes

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stop with that monkey bs about cc canceling it's not a viable mechanic and it's succes rate is lower than 10%.

I've had riven bust through my Taric stun 3 times last match against her. Its not that hard apparently. Its awesome when she takes the damage but just rips through anyways, stuns me and jumps all over me.

VoraciousXFeb 21, 20174 votes

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I've had riven bust through my Taric stun 3 times last match against her. Its not that hard apparently. Its awesome when she takes the damage but just rips through anyways, stuns me and jumps all over me.

Or she used edge of night. Pay attention to your opponent's items next time lol. You should also read patch notes. They got rid of dash cc cancelling with Riven a couple of patches ago. You can't complain about that anymore.

dominusxFeb 22, 20172 votes

bruh it got fixed. find something new to be butthurt about.

SkiasFeb 22, 20171 votes

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bruh it got fixed. find something new to be butthurt about.

Her momentum still carries her through. Maybe the CC hits, but she keeps moving, then she hits you with ki strike. CC needs to stop her.

Asayake 5150glowFeb 22, 20171 votes

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Her momentum still carries her through. Maybe the CC hits, but she keeps moving, then she hits you with ki strike. CC needs to stop her.

The only dashes stopped by stuns are Yasuos, and that's cuz they're specifically stopped by stuns.

SkiasFeb 22, 20171 votes

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The only dashes stopped by stuns are Yasuos, and that's cuz they're specifically stopped by stuns.

So, you see my point. She dashed at me, got hit. By time she stopped moving, the stun wore off and her shield was still up. She just continued as if nothing happened.

Asayake 5150glowFeb 22, 20172 votes

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So, you see my point. She dashed at me, got hit. By time she stopped moving, the stun wore off and her shield was still up. She just continued as if nothing happened.

What is your point? Nobody except Yasuo has their dashes stopped by CC. Riven is no different.

Also, her stun is .75 seconds. Shield is 1.5 seconds. I don't get it.

Except she didn't, because you had time for your teammates to kill her.

SkiasFeb 22, 20171 votes

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What is your point? Nobody except Yasuo has their dashes stopped by CC. Riven is no different.

Also, her stun is .75 seconds. Shield is 1.5 seconds. I don't get it.

Except she didn't, because you had time for your teammates to kill her.

My teammates spend a LOT of time on top island, it's a big relief because of all the map objectives up there. Whew!

SkiasFeb 21, 20171 votes

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CC her blow her up. She never buys health outside cleaver and people only get a ga as far as resistance go. Her shield is her only defence which cannot be used while cc'd. She is oppresive in lane but that's it lol..

She gets MR and a Spellshield from EoN. Good luck CCing her with Edge.

Asayake 5150glowFeb 21, 20172 votes

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She gets MR and a Spellshield from EoN. Good luck CCing her with Edge.

I was not away that EoN blocked 100% of all CC in the game. Last I checked you can blow it with a damage spell first.

SkiasFeb 21, 20171 votes

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I was not away that EoN blocked 100% of all CC in the game. Last I checked you can blow it with a damage spell first.

How many chances do you get in lane to hit a fucking riven with a CC skillshot when she's flying at you? If you miss the first CC, shes going full forehead to keyboard and will kill you with R.

Asayake 5150glowFeb 21, 20172 votes

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How many chances do you get in lane to hit a fucking riven with a CC skillshot when she's flying at you? If you miss the first CC, shes going full forehead to keyboard and will kill you with R.

A lot.

If you can't hit a bull charging you with a shotgun, I don't know what to say.

SkiasFeb 21, 20171 votes

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A lot.

If you can't hit a bull charging you with a shotgun, I don't know what to say.

Ok, so by your logic, I have to hit her with my stun or wait out the 10 second spell shield while she rushes me down? 10 seconds is an eternity.

Asayake 5150glowFeb 21, 20171 votes

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Ok, so by your logic, I have to hit her with my stun or wait out the 10 second spell shield while she rushes me down? 10 seconds is an eternity.

No you see, the shotgun represents your kit. There's multiple pellets - you've multiple skills.

SkiasFeb 21, 20171 votes

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No you see, the shotgun represents your kit. There's multiple pellets - you've multiple skills.

And how many of them are hard CC in an average kit? I know you're completely biased in Riven's favor, but the average kit has maybe 1 CC stop Riven from going apeshit on her keyboard at you. That argument is fucking dumb lol. Either way, E, 4 Dashes, Spell shield and Youmuus, she is going to get to you and kill you.

You know... the whole reason EoN is getting hotfixed.

Asayake 5150glowFeb 22, 20171 votes

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And how many of them are hard CC in an average kit? I know you're completely biased in Riven's favor, but the average kit has maybe 1 CC stop Riven from going apeshit on her keyboard at you. That argument is fucking dumb lol. Either way, E, 4 Dashes, Spell shield and Youmuus, she is going to get to you and kill you.

You know... the whole reason EoN is getting hotfixed.

You don't need to proc EoN with hard cc dude. Literally any ability will do.

SkiasFeb 22, 20171 votes

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You don't need to proc EoN with hard cc dude. Literally any ability will do.

The point seems to be going right over your head. Either way, Her E and Spellshield suck up your effectiveness until you can't fight her, like many champs building this bullshit. You end up fighting them with a small portion of your power and they negate the rest of your defense with the over tuned stats from lethality. This argument is pointless. Let's see how Riven performs after the nerfs.

Asayake 5150glowFeb 22, 20171 votes

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The point seems to be going right over your head. Either way, Her E and Spellshield suck up your effectiveness until you can't fight her, like many champs building this bullshit. You end up fighting them with a small portion of your power and they negate the rest of your defense with the over tuned stats from lethality. This argument is pointless. Let's see how Riven performs after the nerfs.

Nerfs?

I wasn't aware of any nerfs.

Also - you can make Riven burn the majority of her kit trying to get to you. Range is a huge advantage.

SkiasFeb 22, 20171 votes

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Nerfs?

I wasn't aware of any nerfs.

Also - you can make Riven burn the majority of her kit trying to get to you. Range is a huge advantage.

I don't even... dude, have you seen the Lethality and Mastery nerfs? They are nerfs. 3 Items she rushes just lost offensive stats. Masteries she uses lost offense. You lose a tiny bit from all these things, it starts to add up to a lot of lost offense. Also, Range is only an advantage if you're ranged. Who do you think i'm playing top? lol

Asayake 5150glowFeb 22, 20171 votes

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I don't even... dude, have you seen the Lethality and Mastery nerfs? They are nerfs. 3 Items she rushes just lost offensive stats. Masteries she uses lost offense. You lose a tiny bit from all these things, it starts to add up to a lot of lost offense. Also, Range is only an advantage if you're ranged. Who do you think i'm playing top? lol

Ah, those nerfs. I thought you meant Riven specific nerfs.

Oh, and - by the way - the majority of Riven's match ups top - she can't faceroll into them. Unless she kites like a god, there's no way Riven is beating Trynd, Trundle, Jax, Xin, etc. At least, that's how it's supposed to be, although since I beat a Trundle when I was 0/3... she may be a little strong right now. Other matchups I haven't played recently, however.

SkiasFeb 22, 20171 votes

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Ah, those nerfs. I thought you meant Riven specific nerfs.

Oh, and - by the way - the majority of Riven's match ups top - she can't faceroll into them. Unless she kites like a god, there's no way Riven is beating Trynd, Trundle, Jax, Xin, etc. At least, that's how it's supposed to be, although since I beat a Trundle when I was 0/3... she may be a little strong right now. Other matchups I haven't played recently, however.

I haven't seen any of those champs in a month or two. I actually can't remember the last time I saw Xin or Trundle get picked.

Asayake 5150glowFeb 22, 20171 votes

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I haven't seen any of those champs in a month or two. I actually can't remember the last time I saw Xin or Trundle get picked.

Just saw a Trundle so meh.

SkiasFeb 22, 20171 votes

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Just saw a Trundle so meh.

I'm sorry?

Big LincolnFeb 20, 20172 votes

riven isn't tanky

I remember playing Illaoi into one and when she E'd into her soul one slap hit both of them and it killed her instantly, I didn't even have time to hit her with a Q lol

HigeFeb 21, 20172 votes

The answer is: melee

because it has become an excuse to overload any and all champions... "oh shut up you can hit me from range so I have the right to flash and screw you over completely" oh well

Asayake 5150glowFeb 21, 20172 votes

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The answer is: melee

because it has become an excuse to overload any and all champions... "oh shut up you can hit me from range so I have the right to flash and screw you over completely" oh well

It's true though. Already, melee assassins and fighters are never picked in competitive, they're just that much worse.

HigeFeb 21, 20172 votes

you'd think that because melee assassins don't show on competitive they are inherently bad, though this is far from true, while competitive is the most optimized gameplay experience there is, you need to understand that it is also the safest and the most methodical way to play the game, there's money on the line for these teams and having a 0,01% chance of having a misplay is simply unacceptable.

Game balance on the other hand works differently than what you see on competitive, since regularly people play accordingly to the fantasies they want to fulfill, Riot enables melee players to work in spite of their melee nature, people don't play the optimization game that you see on competitive, at least not as well as they do and this on itself is the reason why Melee characters does work, because we aren't machines without error margin

KaiokoFeb 21, 20172 votes

Because each thing is tied to the other and can't function independently. Since I'm assuming that statement is going to confuse people let me explain:

A Riven who wants to increase her mobility has to give up her DPS. Not weaving in auto attacks between each dash makes you deal practically no damage. Same thing can be said for her stun since how close she has to be. Same with the tankyness since it also functions as a mobility tool.