was it to open up item viability on more champions? i liked the former build since it would help scale into late game via zeal
edit; ALRIGHT IM SICK AND FUCKING TIRED OF PEOPLE WHO DOWN VOTE OR UP VOTE WITHOUT AN EXPLANATION WHY
TheHappyReaperz5 votesHere is the Patch Notes info regarding the change: "As Sheen's offensive AD upgrade, Trinity Force promises mid-game dominance through double the Spellblade damage of its component item. By contrast, Iceborn Gauntlet is the upgrade for champions that can take advantage of its utility. That separation’s been a bit fuzzy this season, with many toplaners picking Iceborn to straight-up outduel their opponent. While this was partially due to Iceborn being overtuned, we also realized Trinity Force was suffering from a lack of focus.
The best Trinity Force users reliably proc Spellblade on cooldown - Jax, Irelia, and friends wield equal blends of abilities and basic attacks to deal damage. That combat pattern is key: it means Trinity Force users don't rely on hyperscaling basic attacks to fight enemy champions. With that in mind, Zeal is a marksman-shaped peg jammed into a fighter-shaped hole. It fits... just not perfectly. Stinger is better suited for the job: attacking faster and casting spells faster squares with the goal of maximizing Spellblade uptime. With new focus, Trinity Force is better than ever at fueling the mid game pain train for champs that want to play the Spellblade game"
Ahristocats1 votesjax not relying on hyperscaling basic attacks
rofl
TheHappyReaperz1 votesMakes sense, Jax relies more on his Empower or third hit, not the direct strength of his AA.
Rock MD1 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Sona x Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EAKFnaeB,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-02-01T23:09:23.372+0000)
jax not relying on hyperscaling basic attacks
rofl
Jax is mostly on-hits, so unless crit works with on-hit damage (which it doesn't, iirc), Jax would be better off with CDR instead of crit.
FalconPawwwwnch6 votesHe doesn't
He doesn't build crit or armor pen
You're literally removing 2/4 multiplicatives
Ahristocats1 votesthen what are we complaining about? if it's better with cdr it's better
FalconPawwwwnch1 votesI assumed you implied he hyperscaled with AAs, I took that to imply he preferred crit
So I simply said otherwise
Ahristocats1 votesfirst armor penetration is a good combination with trinity force sheen proc on jax, i played multiple time black cleaver+triforce+sterak gage when jax wasn't garbage
second, crit can actually work depending the situation, 
for instance for dueling power,
my brain remembers crit on triforce with jax and i don't remember that it used to be garbage cdr on triforce broke triforce for mutliple champions like hecarim, while not doing anything for jax
Touch My Box3 votesI know right, the new one just seems to scream "YAY JAX AND IRELIA SPIKE EVEN BETTER"
NodirjonSattarov1 votesi try to make it work on kog'maw but i really don't need the extra 10% cdr
Asayake 5150glow1 votes[{quoted}](name=General KogMaw,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EAKFnaeB,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-02-01T18:54:59.446+0000)
i try to make it work on kog'maw but i really don't need the extra 10% cdr
Why do people go Triforce on Kog? Isn't his base AD shit (he's ranged after all)? I mean, I guess he can proc it consistently if he spaces out his abilities, but he kinda wants to Q first and E to lock them down as he W's.
Oh right his ult. Nevermind.
Spoofghoul1 voteshis ult costs over 9000 mana though
NGNL Asian1 votesWhy do people go Triforce on Kog? Isn't his base AD shit (he's ranged after all)? I mean, I guess he can proc it consistently if he spaces out his abilities, but he kinda wants to Q first and E to lock them down as he W's.
Oh right his ult. Nevermind.
It used to work insanely well on him
Erockandroll9 votes[{quoted}](name=Its Not Shacko,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EAKFnaeB,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-02-01T18:50:08.515+0000)
I know right, the new one just seems to scream "YAY JAX AND IRELIA SPIKE EVEN BETTER"
To be fair, it was kinda riot's intent to push TF towards Bruisers. Champions who were designed to spike after 1 or 2 items.
Admittedly, it did kinda screw over some niche cases who benefit both from sheen proc and crit chance. (Corki, Gangplank, etc)
Big Lincoln1 votescorkis busted though
dragon1xx1 votesNot before the triforce rework.
Quepha1 votesTo better bind it to the bruiser champions that typically bought it while also removing the RNG aspect of their fights. They consider high crit chance on fast auto attacking champions to be a relatively healthy type of combat because the number of crits across a few seconds of dps are fairly predictable, but a low crit chance on a champion that auto attacks only a few times means a fight can really easily swing one way or the other depending only on if the crit happens to proc.
Asayake 5150glow2 votesTo better bind it to the bruiser champions that typically bought it while also removing the RNG aspect of their fights. They consider high crit chance on fast auto attacking champions to be a relatively healthy type of combat because the number of crits across a few seconds of dps are fairly predictable, but a low crit chance on a champion that auto attacks only a few times means a fight can really easily swing one way or the other depending only on if the crit happens to proc.
But somehow Jhin is still considered one of the most balanced champions in League.
:P
Quepha1 votesBut somehow Jhin is still considered one of the most balanced champions in League.
:P
Variance isn't unbalanced, it's just not consistent.
Asayake 5150glow2 votesVariance isn't unbalanced, it's just not consistent.
You said " They consider high crit chance on fast auto attacking champions to be a relatively healthy type of combat because the number of crits across a few seconds of dps are fairly predictable, but a low crit chance on a champion that auto attacks only a few times means a fight can really easily swing one way or the other depending only on if the crit happens to proc.', which indicates that the other style is unhealthy.
Quepha1 votesYou said " They consider high crit chance on fast auto attacking champions to be a relatively healthy type of combat because the number of crits across a few seconds of dps are fairly predictable, but a low crit chance on a champion that auto attacks only a few times means a fight can really easily swing one way or the other depending only on if the crit happens to proc.', which indicates that the other style is unhealthy.
health is not balance.
Paroe1 votesWhy was trinity force changed in the first place? I mean, there were more fighters who used it originally than wierd ADCs. It also gave champions like yasuo and GP an extremely unhealthy powerspike.
Something you kidlets clearly dont know; Trinity force didnt have crit in the first place. It was added and then re-tuned to AD rather than hybrid, which made it a LOT less desireable on its original users. Its current state was it being CHANGED BACK to be desireable for its original users; Fighters and AD casters.
NodirjonSattarov1 votesI thought it originally had AP stats? AP =/= CDR
Paroe1 votes[{quoted}](name=General KogMaw,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EAKFnaeB,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-02-02T01:09:24.517+0000)
I thought it originally had AP stats? AP =/= CDR
It was like 30AP, 30AD, 20% attack speed, 250 mana, 250 health, 10% CDR, and 5% movement speed i think?
EndlessSorcerer1 votesWas there an early iteration with CDR?
I recall Trinity Force having roughly:
Paroe1 votesWas there an early iteration with CDR?
I recall Trinity Force having roughly:
- 300 Health
- 250 Mana
- 30 AP
- 30% Attack Speed
- 10% Crit Chance
- 8% MS
Yeah. The iteration before it didnt have crit chance at all... Because stinger had 10% CDR on it. The change made to it was that stinger was replaced with zeal.
Theres been three stable versions. Only the second stable version used zeal. The others used stinger.
EndlessSorcerer1 votesTrinity Force started with Crit Chance when it was introduced
CDR was first introduced to the item in Patch 5.22 when they changed Sheen to have CDR rather than AP.
I don't see any mention of Stinger in the item's history until Patch 6.11
Paroe1 votesTrinity Force started with Crit Chance when it was introduced
CDR was first introduced to the item in Patch 5.22 when they changed Sheen to have CDR rather than AP.
I don't see any mention of Stinger in the item's history until Patch 6.11
shrug Guess i was wrong? Doesnt really change the fact that trinity force wasnt a "crit item" originally, and when they made it a crit item it had next to 0 desirability on its intended users.
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesWell it was a crit item??? Because you know when they made the item it had crit. So it was originally a crit item.
Paroe1 votesWell it was a crit item??? Because you know when they made the item it had crit. So it was originally a crit item.
... its second iteration was a crit item because the AD was increased, the AP was dropped, and the ciritcal strike chance was increased. The current iteration is a fighter item; attack speed and CDR.