Adc tankiness/safety needs to go up their damage needs to go down globally

Poske·Nov 7, 2018·6 votes·3,083 views

Teamfights would feel way better, carries would have a chances vs assassins (not saying they dont atm given how weak most non jungler assassins are)

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BLIGHTBRINGERNov 7, 20182 votes

Some other additional options that can be considered (suggestions for buffs, since we would be exchanging damage):

Adding extra Health & Attack Speed based items (Only Trinity Force offers the two elements mentioned).
Increase their base Health early and late, champions like Ezreal and Varus exist who have less than 500 Health at LVL 1 (Ezreal = 491, Varus = 499).

To name a few..

HügöNov 7, 20181 votes

I think implementing more items with offensive and defensive stats is a bad idea. You should need to make a decision: Do i want more damage or tankyness?

BLIGHTBRINGERNov 7, 20182 votes

Fair point. In that case, I would say tankyness.

DarukongSrNov 7, 20181 votes

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I think implementing more items with offensive and defensive stats is a bad idea. You should need to make a decision: Do i want more damage or tankyness?

I disagree. This limits the spectrum of variety and doesn't allow for the considerstion of other tradeoffs such as cc, enchanting abilities, CDs, resource costs, mobility, etc.

HügöNov 7, 20181 votes

The tradeoffs you describe should be limited by what class the champion is aka. enchanter, diver, assassin etc.

Moody PNov 7, 20181 votes

sounds good to me

LilxPaprikaNov 7, 20181 votes

I gotchu, this fixes this: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/OcqEj4Ep-feature-idea-merchants-value-to-offer-better-tradeoffs-custom-tailoring comment regarding ADCs and boots: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/OcqEj4Ep-feature-idea-merchants-value-to-offer-better-tradeoffs-custom-tailoring?comment=0002

for survivability maybe the lifesteal items could be tailored based on their win rate with certain ones. there are a lot of ADCs for example that have AP ratios who you'd think could use item 3146 Tristana Corki MissFortune I know Varus used it once. the sustain part of Gunblade could increase for these.

addting Tailored Items fixes so many other complaints on these boards

On another note what are your thoughts on this idea for introducing Superior Crit Items for more budget builds: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/l0WitlVA-superior-phantom-dancer-rito-i-fix-game-4-u-can-i-has-cookie

saltranNov 7, 20181 votes

Sounds bad to me.

saltranNov 7, 20181 votes

And the two best assasins in the game, Akali and LB, are lane assasins...

PoskeNov 7, 20181 votes

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And the two best assasins in the game, Akali and LB, are lane assasins...

Last time Le blanc was the best assassin was when I was #1 lb Worldwide and Challenger, sorry but I think I can tell when Le blanc is fking OP Le blanc was the best assassin toe to toe with zoe and permastealth kha zix for quite a long time but she has been Quite meh and extremly overhyped since the gutrevert

Best assassins atm are Akali, Kassadin, Lissandra outclasses pretty much every other assassin pick (yes liss on paper isnt an assassin)

Jungle however has quite a few viable assassins Kayn - has success in challenger Rengar - has success in challenger (infact its hard to pinpoint a time in history when rengar was bad) Kha zix - since the last buff very good, but shadow of his former self compared to 6 months ago, but he was way to good 6 months ago Evelynn - what an actual fk should be gutted, disgusting champion Nocturne - His ultimate has a duration of an average teamfight, with low cooldown Rito?? Master yi - Reaver got buffed, he benefits from so many items its so easy to indirectly buff him Quinn - Tbh this slut is viable in 4 roles (outclasses zed and talon)

Pyke - a support yet more effective assassin then many other assassins AP rakan - under a radar because there are like 5 AP rakan players worldwide but he stomps high elo

This is how I would rate assassins (Idk what happens at low elo and dont care)

Tier 1 Eve, Akali, kassadin (All require nerfs)

Tier 1.5 Lissandra damage is so high in league that a cc machine outclasses assassins

Tier 2 Ap rakan (UNDERDOG), khazix, rengar, kayn, nocturne, yi, quinn, Pyke, Zoe (I assume after the buff she is tier2)

Tier 3 Zed, Ahri, Le blanc, Ekko, Diana - dmg doesnt matter she has no escape very limited champion

Tier 4 Katarina, Talon, Wukong

**Some info I wouldnt reccomend any champion in Tier 3 and below if you want to climb to the highest of Elos on bigger servers ** Lissandra outclasses Le blanc (since she pretty much only oneshots from 600 range now) Lissandra outclasses Ahri (Good lockdown CC, better damage and hitrate better cooldowns, bassicly slightly less agile ahri but better everywhere Lissandra outclasses Ekko (This shit has to much counterplay for high elo, AP ekko was never successful in my book, dead since bruiser build) Diana is way to one dimensional so she is tier 3

Ap rakan is secretly broken, Its hard to rate Kha zix compared to kayn and rengar I think they are all about even ATM Nocturne is quite unhealthy for teamfights with his R Yi is underated, just keeps getting indirect item buffs. seriously he has like 6 core items Quinn is a reason zed and talon are so low Pyke might even be tier 1.5 Zoe just got buffed I assume she is worthy picking

There are also Shaco and Fizz but I dont know where they stand mostlikely around tier 3 both

Assassins also have to compete with ** pick off mages** and there is no reason to pick tier 3 or worse assassins over pick of mages typically

Syndra - one of the best mids atm pick off mage Twisted fate - pick off mage Azir - pick off mage (ruined by revert satisfaction wise, he feels clunky but hey he still aint trash tier) Taliyah - pick off mage Aurelion sol - yes those mini love tap nerfs dont do anything still one of the best mids, one of the most underated mids in the same time

saltranNov 7, 20181 votes

So your tier 1 assasins are 2 laners and a jungler.

And no, Lissandra is not an assasin sorry to break your imaginary narrative.

PoskeNov 7, 20181 votes

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So your tier 1 assasins are 2 laners and a jungler.

Everything except for tier 3 and below are champions Which I would reccomend for climb as they are overtuned Pick of mages also outclass assassins quite well. (well azir not really)

just because 2/3 of the best assassins are mid doesnt mean a whole lot because midlane is ruled by mages And Akali is more of a toplaner in my book

Specially because idk like 7/10 best assassins are in a jungle (When you check bigger sample size) Reggardless this has nothing to do with my original statement which is quite simple

AD carries need higher safety and less damage output (They should all be more Ezreal like in that department) Now ezreal pays some of his damage for range but you get a point

**They are sustained damage dealer yet they cant survive so all they end up doing is BPSing everyone ** thats so bad gameplay