What is so hard about bot lane?

U R Good At Game·Feb 17, 2017·2 votes·1,619 views

I used to only play supp/adc now I play top/mid but why have I lost almost all of my games due to a fed af adc. I want to believe there is no elo hell but after losing 4 games with a teammate dying 8+ times in laning phase the odds are stacked against me. By the time I am able to roam their adc already has so much gold on our lane that it's a 2-shot if I go down there. I just don't get it. How don't people get it after 0-2? I just don't see a reason to leave lane 0-7-1.

So can someone elaborate on what is so hard about bot that people can't leave lane on my team without excessive deaths?

14 Comments

SpârkyFeb 17, 20173 votes

Bot lane in soloq is hard at lower elo because of the lack of communication. The soloq meta is gangbang bot get first tower win game. But if mid lane pinged mia on their laner immediately or the jg kept track of the enemy jg then i think bot lane wouldnt be either killing everyone or feeding.

U R Good At GameFeb 17, 20171 votes

so basically all I can do is hope the enemy jg is worse than ours? sick. That's some real counter play. I guess I'll just either have to go back and climb out of bronze with adc again or try jg.

note: ill tone not meant towards you, just kinda peeved that winning is basically dependent on 1 lane not feeding but if you cater to that lane TOO much your going to end up letting their mid or top spiral out of control..

Proxy345Feb 17, 20171 votes

Just play MF lol At least she can singlehandedly carry a match in any lane if she gets her items,even if the enemy bot lane is fed.

YaskamasandwichFeb 17, 20172 votes

I'm finding bot, support, and jungle the three roles that have to go god tier meta. It may be every role in general but these three roles are make or break. Probably can get away with it on top or mid lane especially if it helps out the team. Top that off with most of these roles meta champions are not the normal classic ones, like carry supports and such. Making it harder for the old school players needing to change and adapt greatly or else you'll lose. As before you could play your champ regardless of meta and do well. It was hard but that challenge actually added to the fun. Now it's frustrating and you get destroyed for daring the thought of defying the meta.

EndlessSorcererFeb 17, 20171 votes

Bottom lane will be constantly ganked due to FB Tower and Dragon.

Whichever team loses bottom lane is probably going to lose the game due to their ADC being underfed and the enemy ADC being a monster.

Mysticman89Feb 17, 20171 votes

I think it's one of those grass is always greener things. I live as sup/bot, but I constantly feel helpless as suddenly the 10-0 assassin 5 levels up roams bot or a similarly fed top lane tps in and I'm boggled by how people don't learn after the first couple kills.

Bot is the lane that's prone to 4-5 man ganks (jg+mid gank together and top tps) in this meta though, which unless the roams are matched, will generally require bot lane to either back way off and concede first tower gold and/or dragon (which people generally don't want to do), or get dove trying to fend off everyone (which sometimes still results in loss of tower/drag).

If you're mid/top yourself, you either need to push your lane super hard to draw attention away from bot lane, or roam/make tp plays yourself to get your bot lane snowballing instead. Sometimes it feels like you need to do everything yourself in this game, but it can feel that way regardless of role, and when your goal is to climb sometimes you need to put people on your back.

U R Good At GameFeb 17, 20171 votes

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I think it's one of those grass is always greener things. I live as sup/bot, but I constantly feel helpless as suddenly the 10-0 assassin 5 levels up roams bot or a similarly fed top lane tps in and I'm boggled by how people don't learn after the first couple kills.

Bot is the lane that's prone to 4-5 man ganks (jg+mid gank together and top tps) in this meta though, which unless the roams are matched, will generally require bot lane to either back way off and concede first tower gold and/or dragon (which people generally don't want to do), or get dove trying to fend off everyone (which sometimes still results in loss of tower/drag).

If you're mid/top yourself, you either need to push your lane super hard to draw attention away from bot lane, or roam/make tp plays yourself to get your bot lane snowballing instead. Sometimes it feels like you need to do everything yourself in this game, but it can feel that way regardless of role, and when your goal is to climb sometimes you need to put people on your back.

The main problem is that kills are worth too much too early. An ADC getting a lucky gank shouldn't be GG. I saw a 3-0 twitch 4v1 at 10:25..... he killed 3, made the fourth recall and burnt all 4 of their flashes and an exhaust.... that shouldn't be possible just because you got some lucky ganks...... at 10m?????

They either need to scale gold and xp more per level of the person being killed or make it so killing the same people over and over won't make you fed af....

RalanrFeb 17, 20171 votes

Bot lane has a bunch of early game objectives and is home to a class with a notoriously weak early (generally).

It wouldn't be more obvious if Riot added a neon sign that says "CAMP THIS LANE!" With an arrow pointing to bot in the botside river.

EndlessSorcererFeb 17, 20171 votes

Don't forget that many are playing mage supports at the moment.

If you camp bottom lane, you are getting two carries fed for the same amount of effort.

inplaneFeb 17, 20171 votes

Until you experience the 4-man gangbang down at Bot Lane, you probably will not know why it's hell down there.

ErockandrollFeb 17, 20171 votes

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Until you experience the 4-man gangbang down at Bot Lane, you probably will not know why it's hell down there.

My biggest complaint with the 4 man gang bang is, my team some where had to f up. Cause that should only be possible if one of our lanes is already falling behind. If the enemy Top lane TP's, My top laner is either unable to stop him, or unable to match them. Or if Mid lane gets Solo Killed and put behind.

That doesn't change the fact that your options are limited in a 4 man gang bang, And that it's largely out of the Bot lane's control.

U R Good At GameFeb 17, 20171 votes

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My biggest complaint with the 4 man gang bang is, my team some where had to f up. Cause that should only be possible if one of our lanes is already falling behind. If the enemy Top lane TP's, My top laner is either unable to stop him, or unable to match them. Or if Mid lane gets Solo Killed and put behind.

That doesn't change the fact that your options are limited in a 4 man gang bang, And that it's largely out of the Bot lane's control.

My problem is if I post my replays on here, that's not happening. They are just getting ganked with no map awareness. I ping MIA mid 10 seconds before he reaches bot, he runs THROUGH THEIR WARD and they still don't see em...... it's bot ganks + bronze map awareness.

When I play bot your not ganking me post-sight stone without tower diving me because I have tri bush, and the entire river lit up like Christmas. I've never just been surprised ganked post sightstone, at some point bot lane needs to take responsibility for not seeing a gank.

Especially in match ups where I can't follow up the roam. A classic ekko bait for example is acting like your roaming. Pop W in river and 2 shot a mage like xerath as soon as he follows up. Now ekko got a free kill and can still roam not if he wants. Following up wasn't the right decision.

Unless your literally getting tower dived by tanks, mid roaming with a 10 second Mia warning in advance isn't a valid excuse to feed. Doesn't happen to me when I'm at top and get 3v1 with their mid/jg/top so it shouldn't happen in a 4v2.

ErockandrollFeb 17, 20171 votes

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My problem is if I post my replays on here, that's not happening. They are just getting ganked with no map awareness. I ping MIA mid 10 seconds before he reaches bot, he runs THROUGH THEIR WARD and they still don't see em...... it's bot ganks + bronze map awareness.

When I play bot your not ganking me post-sight stone without tower diving me because I have tri bush, and the entire river lit up like Christmas. I've never just been surprised ganked post sightstone, at some point bot lane needs to take responsibility for not seeing a gank.

Especially in match ups where I can't follow up the roam. A classic ekko bait for example is acting like your roaming. Pop W in river and 2 shot a mage like xerath as soon as he follows up. Now ekko got a free kill and can still roam not if he wants. Following up wasn't the right decision.

Unless your literally getting tower dived by tanks, mid roaming with a 10 second Mia warning in advance isn't a valid excuse to feed. Doesn't happen to me when I'm at top and get 3v1 with their mid/jg/top so it shouldn't happen in a 4v2.

I think you missjudge the number of champions capable of diving. The real problem is that you loss too much even if you see them coming. (I'm a support main, I too lit the river like a christmas tree.) But you can't defend the turret 2v4. You either forfeit the turret, trying to escape the gank, or you die defending turret. (Quite likely losing the turret anyway.) And their is always a possibility that the gank comes from behind the turret through your own Jungle. (Am I really going to need to be warding that too?) And if that happens, you could be very well cut off from even making an escape.

Also, it is true that it's not always safe for your mid laner to follow their opponent. But even then, they should be looking to make plays elsewhere. (Like trying to push in the mid lane.) But if the mid laner dies before hand, that's still on them.

U R Good At GameFeb 18, 20171 votes

I don't misjudge diving champs. I'm telling you that it's not happening in my games. Our derps spam abilities on the wave, push past river, and get ganked. Every game for 4 games now. They aren't freezing lane at tower but getting dived because champions. They are pushing then trying to run the entire lane back to tower.

Also, if they can dive you before 10m and kill you without you at least trading the 2 for 2 you fucked up somewhere. Either with you ADC pick or your supp pick. If your playing bot with neither a heavy cc supp or heavy cc/dodge adc that's on you. Good luck diving varus/thresh combo, Braum/Ashe, Tahm/Ezreal, etc. knowing that bot is a gank fest you need to be running peel lanes, especially in soloQ.

And yes, you should ward that bush behind your tower lol.....

You get 4 wards on the map. 3 vision, 1 control. 6 if you count your ADCs 2 wards...

That's 1 ward for your jg, 1 ward for their jg, 2 wards in river, and 2 flex wards.