@Riot: Are the utility mastery changes here to stay? I'm having trouble just farming with some mids.

Bern··3 votes·524 views

For example, as Diana playing against ranged opponents, I've been finding I run out of mana to cs with q really quickly. Likewise, I went to play Syndra against Heim the other day (which, from what I understand, is theoretically a good matchup) and was burning through so much mana just farming that I still needed blue even after picking up a chalice.

Mana costing feels really bad for champions that need to CS with abilities right now. Really bad. Basically, the changes mean that you literally have less mana than before after only a little over two minutes in lane, and the deficit obviously only keeps getting worse the longer you stay. Likewise, less mp/5 means that once you're oom, you're -really- oom. It used to be that I could stick around and farm for a little bit more even when I was low on mana as Diana, because q has a pretty low cost, and I'd regen back to the cost in time to farm the next wave. Not really the case anymore.

Changes are a pain. The game's costing has been balanced around mages being able to get mp/5 from utility for as long as I remember playing (which is since ~S3). Now mana regen was nerfed after it had -already- been nerfed by gamewide changes to how it works (changes I actually personally liked). The issue is, those changes didn't break my farming thresholds. -These changes did-. I'm not having fun playing champions I like now because they go oom way faster than they need to in order to function in lane. Please reconsider the changes.

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Thanotos Omega2 votes

Assassins/fighters aren't supposed to be able to farm well in lane with mages, remember that's why people hate Zed, your supposed to kill or drive out your opponent then farm, it's very possible that what you are experiencing was an intended effect of the changes,

WarlockLaw2 votes

Syndra is no longer an assassin since dfg got removed and she got no compensation for it, and I have noticed these problems on a wide array of champions as my adc masteries were using the mp5 slot for laning as were all the burst mages I played. I used to pride myself on being able to play mid without a blue buff ever coming my way but not I'm not so sure that's even theoretically possible until I buy mp5 runes

Bern1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Thanotos Omega,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E8afbwmo,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-06-02T19:04:03.908+0000)

Assassins/fighters aren't supposed to be able to farm well in lane with mages, remember that's why people hate Zed, your supposed to kill or drive out your opponent then farm, it's very possible that what you are experiencing was an intended effect of the changes,

Diana doesn't have kill pressure until 6, and and against ranged mages who can harass you for farming with your AA, you -will- go oom farming with q. This isn't even a question. And champions like Syndra aren't even assassins anymore.

Thanotos Omega1 votes

You don't need to kill them you just need to force them to run, they either back to heal or risk being to low to survive your next engage,

Bern1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Thanotos Omega,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E8afbwmo,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2015-06-02T19:25:40.846+0000)

You don't need to kill them you just need to force them to run, they either back to heal or risk being to low to survive your next engage,

That takes mana I need to use to actually get CS. Especially pre-6.

Thanotos Omega1 votes

You aren't supposed to be using it to farm, you are supposed to use it to drive them out then farm with Autos, and if you can't then poor farming is the price you payed for not being able to deliver on the skill demand of going Assassin mid, again that's why people hated Zed, he can safely farm without dominating his lane, which Asassins aren't supposed to do against ranged enemies,

Abyssphere1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Thanotos Omega,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E8afbwmo,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-06-02T19:04:03.908+0000)

Assassins/fighters aren't supposed to be able to farm well in lane with mages, remember that's why people hate Zed, your supposed to kill or drive out your opponent then farm, it's very possible that what you are experiencing was an intended effect of the changes,

But he wasn't just seeing it with Diana, it was with Syndra too. Syndra's a mage, having a bad lane doesn't make sense for people like her.

Thanotos Omega2 votes

Syndra is a lane bully burst mage, and has ranged autos, you can't except to use her abilities to farm and come out even, that is the realm of specialized farming mages like Viegar and Malzahar, if you are using an ability to get less then 3-5 minions odds are you are wasting it, harass your opponent use autos to farm until you can one shot and get a good chunk of your mana back with the ring,

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