If it's your team's fault you lose all your games, do you get carried every game you win?

AlienPrimate··3 votes·4,013 views

I'm genuinely curious. If someone is claiming that every loss is their garbage team's fault, is each of their wins due to being carried?

Edit: Since people aren't understanding my point, I'll have to explain this. I used reverse reasoning here. There are people out their who claim that every game they lose is because their team is trash and it doesn't matter what they do that game because they will still lose. It is possible to carry a game, but if you believe that you have nothing to do with any of your losses then the same should be said about your wins if you are that kind of person. There are games that are impossible to carry for a win, but people saying that their team causes them to lose EVERY SINGLE game are whiny little bitches without an ounce of responsibility for their own actions. Those kinds of people don't get to say they carried any games if they are somehow absent from their losses.

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Paroe1 votes

thats the logical extrapolation, yes. But people will argue night and day that its not true, and that YOU are the reason you won.

AlienPrimate1 votes

I claim a team effort win or loss unless someone on either team is an obvious troll who decides the outcome of the game themselves. If someone's score looks really bad and you win, they were most likely still useful to the team by distracting the enemy at key times, clearing waves from towers while defending the base, etc. If someone does really well and has an amazing score but loses anyways, the loss is still on them in some way. A great example is a video I just watched from PBE when someone went full AD Galio. At the end of the video he actually says that if he had built Galio as an AP tank, his score wouldn't have been as good but his team would likely have won.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koxWOxC0Ik0

Max Griswald1 votes

I also am not sure I would agree that his team would have won, or likely won. It is hard to know what difference the game would have been if he hadn't gotten 20 of those kills. That is like me losing a game and saying "If I had chosen Graves instead of my 20/1/15 Hecarim, we probably could have won!" It would have completely changed the way the game went, and there is just as much likelihood that the game would have gone worse, but we'll never know.

Max Griswald2 votes

I don't see how that would be the logical extrapolation, to be honest. Let's pretend that we can quantify someone's "carry" through numbers. If you need 100 "carry points" to win a game, your team needs to average 20 "CP" per person for the win. If you do 50 "CP" but everyone else on the team averages 10 "CP", you will end up with 90 "CP" for the team, which means you lost, even though you did half of what the team needed to get done all by yourself.

Compare that to if you did 50 "CP" and your team averaged 20 "CP" per person, you'd have 130 "CP" of the 100 needed to win, so you would most definitely win. You can't claim that someone who did more than two others was "carried" to the win. You can claim that the teammates pulled their own weight, though.

Max Griswald1 votes

I do have to point out that League of Legends is not so simple as to have "Carry Points". Each game is different and will require a different amount of "carry points" to win. Doing a certain amount of stuff in one game may win the game, but doing the exact same thing in another game you may still lose.

AlienPrimate1 votes

I think you are missing the point of the post. This is targeted at the people who are "never at fault" for their losses. If someone is never to blame for a loss then they shouldn't be able to take credit for any of their wins either.

Max Griswald1 votes

I see your point, but it doesn't make sense logically. Most certainly nobody should be able to claim they were the SOLE reason that their team won, although they can be a huge reason for it. Someone can do EVERY SINGLE THING RIGHT, and still lose a game. Therefore the loss would not be their fault.

Winning doesn't mean you got carried though. It means enough people did enough work to get it done. You can still be the primary reason that your team won.

I know this is a bot game, so it wasn't as hard to "carry" the game, but the concept is the same:

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2452225899/236778104?tab=overview

Without me, the game would have been lost. Period. However, without the Varus, the game probably would have been lost as well. So while I was not solely responsible for the win, I was actually the primary reason we won. We almost lost, and it wouldn't have been my fault, because I was doing everything I could (I am not going to say I played perfectly, but I didn't make a single major mistake).

I got First Blood about 2 minutes into the game, although I did end up dying a couple minutes later in a 1v2 matchup because I was getting minion blocked. A small mistake, yes, but not major. I got a double-kill around 5:45 and then Varus came top to help me push the tower. We killed both top laners two more times and took the top turret pre-10 minutes. By this point bot was getting pushed in hard and mid was dying left and right. At 10 minutes into the game I was 5/1/1. My Varus was 2/0/1. The rest of my team was a combined 0/6/0 and had already lost bot tower. I picked up another double-kill at around 11:30 and then rotated mid to help Kat who had just destroyed a tower. We took the inner turret mid, and then there was a small skirmish in mid-lane which resulted in two kills and three deaths, as well as the enemy Ashe and Lux split-pushing to kill our bottom inner tower. Since I didn't think I could take mid-inhib tower faster than Lux and Ashe could take our bot-inhib tower, I backed and got a quick double-kill on Lux and Ashe. At this point, I'm sitting at 10/1/1 while the rest of my team is a total of 3/9/X (No idea how many assists they got off that skirmish). My team keeps trying to run things down the mid when there aren't enough people there to do so, or when people are too low to really fight and keep dying. I manage to get two "unofficial triple-kills" as well as the "unofficial Penta" at 33:00.

I "carried" the team, even if I didn't do 100% of the work. Saying I "got carried" because I won would be stupid, considering I did 43.4k damage to champs and the rest of my team combined for 45.1k damage to champs. I also had double the CS of anyone on my team. If I had been unable to 1v2 (And eventually 1v3 when WW kept going bot after the inner turret was down) the bot lane after my team let the enemy team take those towers, I don't think anyone would have been able to say it was my fault for losing the game, since I won my lane, hard, and roamed mid and helped push, and roamed bot to defend.


Now, I am not defending people who claim to "never be at fault" for a loss; most of the time they are making mistakes as well. But quite often a player can play very well and not make mistakes and still lose the game because their team folded on the other side of the map. That doesn't diminish their efforts in the loss, NOR does it diminish their efforts when they do win. There is a player "Saber is Waifu" who plays extremely well in almost all of their games, even the losses. Most of their losses are not their fault, their jungler goes 1/9/1 for example. That doesn't mean that all of their WINS are not due to their efforts (0/1/23 support, 14/2/12 top, 12/1/2/ top, 0/3/25 support, 4/0/7 top, 10/2/10 top, 12/0/1 top, 11/0/4 top, 16/0/8 top, etc)

Critmaster Garen2 votes

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thats the logical extrapolation, yes. But people will argue night and day that its not true, and that YOU are the reason you won.

no, its not lol.

you might be carrying every game, and some games your team is too heavy, and other games your team doesnt actually get ahead of their opponents, but is not falling behind.

this would mean with you being ahead, your team would be ahead overall and was able to win.

A => B doesnt automatically mean B => A

Dynikus1 votes

Nah, every game I win is because I'm amazing, every game I lose is because my stupid team is holding me back from challenjour. [slayer-jinx-catface]

khorney1 votes

I hate to break it to you but everyone more or less gets carried everytime. So someone says you suck j4 supp you got carried I'm like so it's league every one gets carried

BIcKL8hzXWhtN8ht1 votes

are you out of your goddamn mind? just think About it, 3 or 4 games you are playing 15/6/3, 10/3/3 or 7/2/0 something like this, and your Team has 0/999.. all of them…. what do you think? is it your fault you lose the games?

I like this perspective of Riot they gave Players to reach the rank they Dream of, riot says "If your Team is bad, so you are too!" or Maybe something like this "Your Team sucks, BECAUSE of you!"

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