I just saw a lucian 1v1 a vayne

CoolKnightST·Oct 11, 2015·17 votes·2,783 views

Bork vs
Lucian hit everything
Vayne tried to E him but it was black shielded
The support was a mirror morgana & both of us had no spellthief stacks, we both had the same items and nobody of us had cooldowns available & no ult up
We both auto about 3-4 times
They both had the same health
Vayne during her ult was & Lucian wasn't exhausted add all
We both where the same level
On both side their where 3 casters, they both had agro on the supports

Lucian lost that duel, that just doesn't make sence add all. Their was no way Lucian could win that. It was not that he did someting wrong. He got his damage off. Vayne just dealed more. Isn't Lucian an lane bully.

37 Comments

hh the thinkerOct 11, 201519 votes

bork is stronger than bf and pic. he was behind at that point basically and shouldn't have been compared to the vayne, unless jungle camped, there was a huge difference in skill, or the support on the other team got the lane in vayne's favor.

vayne does outscale luc fairly hard also. he has to get ahead early and keep it for a while or vayne just becomes stronger.

KingopantsOct 11, 20152 votes

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bork is stronger than bf and pic. he was behind at that point basically and shouldn't have been compared to the vayne, unless jungle camped, there was a huge difference in skill, or the support on the other team got the lane in vayne's favor.

vayne does outscale luc fairly hard also. he has to get ahead early and keep it for a while or vayne just becomes stronger.

Honestly he can't do that solo since Vayne trades really hard early game. She stalls a bit midgame but her early game is no slouch at all.

hh the thinkerOct 11, 20151 votes

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Honestly he can't do that solo since Vayne trades really hard early game. She stalls a bit midgame but her early game is no slouch at all.

one thing that helps is poking Q through minions. going up to her and poking isn't so good. really, i don't like the luc vs vayne match up for luc since it tends to go vayne's way most of the time it seems.

making lucian work in that match up should be a tad easier at least i do agree.

the main thing i was pointing out though was that vayne's bork, which costs 3200 is stronger than lucian's bf and pic which cost 2450. he was either behind in cs or vayne got a kill at the very least. 800 gold is a big difference. it's like two long swords.

SirsirOct 11, 20152 votes

Mana issues aside Lucian should certainly be able to outduel Vayne early. Lucian has very strong levels 1-2.

CubedJusticeOct 11, 20152 votes

Yes, but it's impossible to fight Vayne level 1-2. She just won't have it. She's so safe, you won't have the option.

MatezoideOct 11, 201519 votes

Vayne's early game ends when she gets a Cutlass.

SirsirOct 11, 20157 votes

Lucian is a lane bully but Vayne is a duelist, if the fight was basically 1v1 as you lead to believe it makes perfect sense

If Vayne finished an item but Lucy didn't it makes even MORE sense. Vayne isn't worthless in lane and she DID have ult, Lucian has one of THOSE ults that isn't any good in a duel whereas Vayne is a designed duelist. Exhaust can only do so much and only lasts so long, you can get a lot of its duration mitigated with a stealth tumble.

RalanrOct 11, 20155 votes

That's not really 1v1 if the Morgana put up a black shield.

CoolKnightSTOct 11, 20153 votes

It was 1v1 based on damage. Only I did the black shield on lucian, the other morgana didn't had it up. So their was no damage absorbed. I just want to point out that vayne a hyper carry was able todo more damage than a lanebully that early in the game.

Pluie BattanteOct 11, 20151 votes

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Sire HippingtonOct 11, 20152 votes

if he actually can burst her down quickly, which won't happen with that gear at that point, he can counter. If morgana had landed a cage + ult, they should have been able to burst vayne down befor she does much, but 1v1 from fullhealth, he gets her fast to ~40%, and after that sits on cds and poor dps while vanye just exels at extended fights. If Lucian would have played to his strengths and pked her low with Qs and even ult befor, he would have won as he could have started the duel with far more health, since vayne doesn't have any ranged poke herself. Lucian is the same kind of lanebully as Cait: he wears his target down with easy to land poke(Q, E+passive) while shoveing in waves, haveing his burst to finish of lowhealth targets quickly, so they can't afford to cs, and his ult to evt snipe them if they stay lowhealth under tower. He's not an all-in bully like graves. Or atleast not anymore after all those nerfs to his early.

Guy Fox TeemoOct 11, 20155 votes

Vayne won a duel? I don't see the problem, she's a good duelist ....

Remlap1223Oct 11, 20154 votes

NO GODDAMNIT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO AGREE WITH ME SAYING THAT VAYNE IS THE MOST OP SHIT IN THE GAME GODDAMNIT! DO YOU EVEN BOARDS?

KONO RUBICK DAOct 12, 20152 votes

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Vayne won a duel? I don't see the problem, she's a good duelist ....

vayne was losing all duel at lvl 5-6 when lane bullies were real lane bullies

Remlap1223Oct 12, 20151 votes

MissFortune Haven't had a single Vayne beat me unless they're above my ELO and a Vayne main.

AMYS GRAVEOct 12, 20151 votes

In the laning phase? When she is supposedly weak? Against a lane bully who should be strong early? There is a problem there....

SlashStrikerOct 11, 20154 votes

i think lucian can start with his ult from distance in theory it will be 50% health vayne vs 100% health lucian after which he can go in and burst vayne

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Exhaust can't stop the true damage. :D

30% attack speed reduction 40% damage reduction

Bob the ToastrOct 11, 20154 votes

The 40% damage reduction still doesn't work. Nothing can reduce true damage except invulnerability or undying rage.

DorkunedAurasOct 12, 20151 votes

and Undying rage failed to stop 4.20 challenging smite's on-hit Pure (not true) damage, because it wasn't OP enough, though I'm pretty sure that bug stuck around for a while.

Slamurai JackOct 12, 20154 votes

Lucian doesn't outduel any adc before late game, let alone Vayne.

ŃordOct 11, 20153 votes

Vayne's ult gives her a damage boost. He can't outwin with aa against a vayne with an ulti. He never even had a chance.

LindtsOct 11, 20153 votes

It hurt reading this.

Sire HippingtonOct 11, 20153 votes

Lucian isn't a all-in lanebully since his early got nerfed a while ago, his strength in the early are short trades and poke with Q Vayne is the most potent singletarget all-in adc, her entire kit is 100% focused on singletarget damage in prolonged fights. She also has one of the best level 6 powerspikes due to how much power that ult gives for an all-in BotrK is a stupidly powerfull item and with the active one of the best dueling items.

He couldn't win that all in, and trying to do so was a mistake at that point...

LaowPingOct 11, 20152 votes

Lucian needed an IE to keep up with vayne's damage. if lucian only had a bf and pick axe then he has less damage items (gold wise) so it makes sense that he lost. bortk is made for dueling anyway