I think the new Vayne Q nerf is meant to allow her enemies to bully her even harder early on

darkdill··3 votes·1,188 views
11/21 PBE Update

If you think about it, with Vayne's Q being super-weak early, she will simply have worse early damage, further exacerbating her early-game vulnerability against equal-skill opponents. This means that if she's getting bullied, if she tries to fight back, she'll get stomped on and laughed at.

So when Vayne does get that Q nerf, attack her more often early-game, and you may notice that you simply outpower her in early fights.

#"But it's her late game!"

No. Here is the thing about Vayne. Did you let her reach her late-game? Then you deserve to get your ass handed to you by her. Pressuring Vayne is not limited to the laning phase, but when you're roaming too, you want to make her a constant target.

This nerf makes it easier for you to pressure Vayne early, and is not meant to diminish her late-game power because that's what she's meant for. Try making a comp that can kill her team in 25 minutes rather than dragging the game out.

My 2 cents.

11 Comments

JackMcSnipeyz2 votes

No, she always was bullied early, she always farmed until she got IE and thats when she spiked. This changes nothing.

Why is vayne allowed to burst squishies AND tanks alike? Why does a single Q drop a squishy to 30% health? While she's still the best anti tank marksman available.

Also vayne has enough self peel to survive lane phase without being collapsed on (ofc there is an exception to everything, but nothing changed from before)

darkdill2 votes

Because you let her get to that late-game.

Crush her early and you don't have to deal with her insane late-game firepower. Or you could try dog-piling on her since she can't attack more than one target at a time.

If you're fighting her one-on-one, you're stupid or suicidal. You simply don't beat a late-game Vayne one-on-one.

JackMcSnipeyz1 votes

She always was weak super early game, she never could retaliate much, but like i said - her mid to late game power is still the same which is why this doesnt change her most toxic flaw - her burst.

Late game, if i fight vayne 1v1 and she uses her invisibility, dash, knockback and stun to outplay me - thats fine, she is a great duelist im not taking this away from her. But right now this is the scenerio : vayne presses Q crits you for 70% health, and you either flash away, or die - no room for outplaying this.

Lets look at other ADC: Lucian - great skrimisher but cant do much to tankier targets Ashe - great utility - lacklaster damage and no burst Kog'maw - melts tanks, can be dueled by any adc and is super team reliant.

See what they have in common? They all have clear weaknesses and strengths Weak early game is universal to ADC with some exceptions (Draven, lucian, cait) vayne needs to be better defined - is she a ranged burst assassin? Or a tank busting true damage ADC, she cant be both

Lord Azır2 votes

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No. Here is the thing about Vayne. Did you let her reach her late-game? Then you deserve to get your ass handed to you by her.

Yes, because even though you shit on her all lane, just because she has a Viktor on her team who can clear waves all fucking day long and stall out a game means you deserve to lose. No matter how hard you stomped her in the game.

darkdill2 votes

Try killing Viktor and then pushing his base down?

No team comp is invincible. But we're talking about Vayne, and the best way to deal with her is to beat her team before she gets too strong.

Calabok1 votes

nice try

darkdill1 votes

How so? Vayne haters will give no fucks about logic?

Calabok1 votes

dumb player logic have none.

Penns1 votes

"Letting her get to late game" is pretty easy to do sice late game on Vayne = 2-3 items lel

MLDzXnRRR1 votes

Vayne isn't weak early, she has no waveclear, so she must choose to fight or farm. Try playing her 1v1 top to see how "weak" she is. She will outdamage most ADCs in a straight 1v1 lvl 1 with no minions around...

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