Riot at least copy the simple line connecting premades in Dota 2

Irelia Bot··77 votes·3,464 views

http://i.imgur.com/kBW4Zwy.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/R6l1Sez.jpg

In both of these images the first team has a single premade of 3 and the second team has 2 premades of 2. Just do this and it will be at least one sign that you are at least trying to make the system a little more ideal for solo players and non premade 5's. Know that you as top or mid are against a mid who is premade with the jungler is just fair knowledge given the likely camping that is about to hit you.

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EndlessSorcerer7 votes

This is all I want.

If I'm going to invade the enemy jungler at their top-side buff, it would be nice to know that they are queued with the mid and top laners, so I can predict response time.

If I'm going to play a lane, I want to know who I can expect to be ganking me.

LICENSED HOOKER2 votes

lmao, when you invade their jungler and all of a sudden you see mid top and even their support is there

x.x.

cvIddXsQkO5 votes

NOOOOOOOOOOO DONT DO IT RIOT. I like to pretend i'm not with my premade noob friends because they suck.

Irelia Bot1 votes

Get better lol playing friends you friend of scrubs.

ButtStorm3 votes

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Get better lol playing friends you friend of scrubs.

Speak English? Or at least take a class in grammar if you're gonna trash talk someone

Irelia Bot1 votes

Clearly /s with gad grammar offends you.

Rubbery Skrub3 votes

I think this is a fantastic idea and could reduce toxicity too, for example if you see that you are on a team with a premade of four, you would be more ready in the case that they collectively troll/flame and thus be less tilted from that.

Fjork39 votes

...or you could also be more likely to go into the game assuming they're going to troll you, and pre-tilt yourself. I think people are overestimating the likelihood of premades to be collectively terrible.

iamthegoatofwar3 votes

no they're not. This system is busted to the max...it's like really really bad...

Avarosa Guide Me1 votes

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...or you could also be more likely to go into the game assuming they're going to troll you, and pre-tilt yourself. I think people are overestimating the likelihood of premades to be collectively terrible.

For real, I honestly got into a premade that was on the other team just cause they thought i was a cool dude in all chat. They were already a 4 and just decided to adopt me.

Rubbery Skrub1 votes

I'm not saying all premades are terrible, only that having this information would be a psychological benefit in the case that one does turn out to be terrible. If players start to flame me then I'll usually mute my whole team rather than worry who will join in. In a case where players from a premade (of 2 or 3) flame, it would be reasonable to mute only that group.

Serika Zero1 votes

they removed the ability to see who is premade with whom back on s3 on purpose its not coming back, just like soloq

Lady Hammerlock2 votes

This is genius,its even in robocraft

KnowledgeArmada2 votes

I think I would be completely fine with DQ if this was implemented.

Alytrox1 votes

Is that a 48 minutes game, 5 human vs. 5 bots ? WTF

Vistha Kai1 votes

You have no idea how vicious some bots can be.

I remember playing a premade with 2 plats, 2 silvers and 1 gold and we got shit on by advanced bots so hard, Bot Cassio 1v3'd us.

BakedLotion1 votes

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You have no idea how vicious some bots can be.

I remember playing a premade with 2 plats, 2 silvers and 1 gold and we got shit on by advanced bots so hard, Bot Cassio 1v3'd us.

uwotm8 Bot games never last more than 15 minutes unless theres an annie bot, then you will die a few times lel

TheStevenWu2 votes

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Is that a 48 minutes game, 5 human vs. 5 bots ? WTF

I had an hour bot game once. My friend and I queued up for an AI game and proceeded to farm jungle and jungle only. We didn't kill any AI, take turrets, defend turrets, or farm minions.

3 of our teammates ended up rage quitting because they couldn't win. The AI's had pushed down all 3 inhibitors. After the quits, my friend and I proceeded to win the game on our own.

Irelia Bot1 votes

You clearly have not played against Annie and Draven Bot.

LeDjent1 votes

Heroes of the Storm does this too, there are different colored crowns in the corner of the Hero portrait indicating who is in a part together for both teams. It's nice to see. Would love Riot to consider something like this.

Papa Slothy1 votes

twitch is gonna get bullied

Dominick Destine1 votes

That'd be nice but Riot hates the community.

They are going the way of WoW/Jagex.

kDrakari1 votes

Honestly, I think having this indicator will help a lot more than Riot expects. They can quote statistics all they want, but people are always more swayed by specific anecdotes and personal experience than numbers. Being able to actually see "Oh, those two had good synergy but they weren't actually in a group" will eliminate false positives of losing because the opposing team had a premade group and yours didn't, and it will also allow at least some counterplay like "I'm the top laner on my team with a duo bot lane, the enemy is duo top/jungle. I should play safe in my lane to survive ganks and try to use teleport to snowball our ADC." It might even alleviate some of the frequently voiced concerns about how much of an advantage a large premade has, since it would be easier to notice just how often a 4-5 man group matches up against the same distribution, nullifying the advantage.

That said, I think Dynamic Queue makes more sense for Normal games. Having a single ranking doesn't properly demonstrate the substantial difference in skills used between fully solo queue and full team queue. I say if you're looking to have fun with friends and can't get a full 5 together then normals should be plenty for you.

And if they're dead set on Dynamic Queue (as they've pretty much stated they are) then (GOOD) in-game voice chat is a requirement. Even if their algorithms somehow become perfect and there are no occurrences of games with uneven premade groups, the role popularities even out so queue times are reasonable for non-support players, and the semi-legitimized Elo boosting from smurfs making a premade with legitimate low Elo players gets fixed... You still end up with the problem that a solo player matched with premades has a worse experience than a full solo experience. Voice chat will improve that quite a lot, and also compensate for some of the imperfections.

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