dead mans plate. and black cleaver. and he did it twice. inside turret and the inner turret. full range. drove both of them. are the turrets that weak? because if he can drive two turrets. while getting stunned once and zapped twice and still kill me and survive is pure bullshit. what other tank in the game can do that?
why does a tank have that much mobility.
Maximum Morde3 votes{quoted} what other tank in the game can do that?
Rammus, Singed, Volibear, Udyr, I'm sure there are others hut these are the ones off the top of my head.
MunchCrunchLunch1 votessinged? wait singed does a lot of damage? yeah his Q but really anyone smart should be okay with it. rammus. if you just avoid him or stay under turret he can't do much. he doesn't do a lot of damage. and also singed gains speed from his ult only. garen gets speed from a bunch of his abilities.
volibear. he is not as tanky as garen. more sustain but not as tanky or as mobile as often. udyr. not as tanky as garen and doesn't have a BS ultimate. and hes also not as mobile. doesn't have a silence.
Maximum Morde1 votes. rammus. if you just avoid him or stay under turret he can't do much. he doesn't do a lot of damage
Never said they did it as easily as Garen, just that they were all capable of it.
You are flat wrong about Rammus by the way. He can easily and quickly kill any squishy auto attack based champion if he has a damage item or two.
MunchCrunchLunch1 votesyeah but its not about that. am compaing other tanks to garen. rammus can be easily taken care of. if just ignore. garen can't be ignored because he will damage your whole team.
Maximum Morde1 votesPowerball : Magic Damage:100 / 150 / 200 / 250 / 300(+ 100% AP)
Tremors : Total Magic Damage:520 / 1040 / 1560 (+ 240% AP) 」
With his 2.25 second taunt, good damage ratios and good base damage, I wouldn't call Rammus low damage. I'll often build a Sunfire, Rylais, and if it gets late enough a second AP item (usually Liandries). That damage WILL shred anyone caught in it. They will have a very difficult time getting out thanks to the Rylais. His defensive ball curl will also be dealing nasty damage to whoever gets taunted or anyone who dares auto him, as well as applying the Rylais slow and deathfire touch. Rammus, is one of the highest damage tanks in the game. Ignore him at your own peril.
My personal favorite Rammus build is Thornmail, Randuins, Sunfire, Ninja Tabi/Merc Treds (boots depending on match), Rylais, Liandries. Build order being Thornmail, t2 boots, giants belt and transition that into Rylais if I can get away with it, or one of the armor items if I need more, but that early on thornmail is usually plenty.
Meep Man1 votesrammus can be easily taken care of.
You havent played against a good Rammus.
Spaceman5pff2 votesGaren literally has ONE speed boost. ONE. His E SLOWS him without Black Cleaver.
ONE. Not a bunch ONE
Sire Hippington1 votesSinged does alot damage if used correctly, and if he desides to dive you, he will have you in the poison. 65flat ms from the ult, 75% slow on the W and his fling, if You have trouble staying away from garren, you have no chance staying away from singed, and he has just as good tank steroids as garen to tank towers.
As Maximum Morde said, rammus if used correctly is both harder to avoid and harder to ignore than garen, while beeing tankier.
Volibear has a 4sec 50% speedbuff on 8sec cd, garen has 3.5sec 30% speedbuff on 8sec cd. So saying garen is more mobile is utter bullshit. I'd also argue that voli is tankier if his passive is up, and he has far more cc to keep you in range.
Udyr has a 3sec 35% speedbuff on 6 sec cd, more base ms and up to 15ms from passive, so he is certainly more mobile than garen, and a 1sec stun >>>>>> 1.5 sec silence. his tankiness also is not much lower due to his low cd shield.
you just got beaten by garen and now your salty, that's all.
Veraska2 votesGaren not a tank, he's a fighter, and yea tanks are pretty weak feeling right now
MunchCrunchLunch1 votesGaren not a tank, he's a fighter, and yea tanks are pretty weak feeling right now
if hes not a tank. how can he do that? because I can't name one fighter that can drive 1 full range turret with just a dead mans plate early game. the first time he dove he had only a plate. and he dove two fucking turrets. TWO. after a team fight in which he had like 70% health.
how is he not a tank? because i don't get it. I have a real hate for garen. no. loath. i loath garen as a champion.
can a rioter tell me why does a "fighter" have that much tankiness and damage and mobility. because i think garen is stronger than tahm kench pound to pound and yall are making a million thread about tahm kench every day
Spaceman5pff3 votesLiterally drop ur chompers, hit laugh, and walk away. Build furor boots... 6th item frozen mallet? Lord Dominiks Regards should do you nicely.
Honestly if you don't kite, he WILL kill you.
MunchCrunchLunch1 voteshow do I kite when he can boost his speed. and outrun me with SWIFTNESS BOOTS. that are faster than furor boots. after GETTING STUNNED. and SLOWED . I don't get this. garen cannot be kited. maybe just by ashe but even then idk if she can do it with his speed.
my life dream is to see garen lose either his mobility. tankiness or damage. just one fucking thing he can't just be the one man that can do it all. it just can't be. an adc does a lot of damage. but not mobile and definitely not tanky. tanks. are not mobile and dont do much damage. mages do damage but squishy and some of them are mobile.
GAREN does a lot of damage. highly mobile. and is tanky. why does he have all 3 aspects?
I can't name. 1 other fucking champion that has 3 of those above. not 1 other champion does. its just garen. and its bullshit because hes in every match.
i had lord domink and my ult can't kill him with 15% health. what the fuck more can I do. he has just a dead man's plate and a black cleaver.
Spaceman5pff3 votesWith the movespeed you get from zeal-base items and furor procs, you chompers should be MORE than enough to get you out. You aren't supposed to be able to handle garen alone, that's his deal. Just like Olaf, Trynd etc. So STOP TRYING TO TAKE HIM ALONE. Just cc him and leave gone forever bye garen
MunchCrunchLunch1 votesno no. i can handle olaf and trynd by myself. trynd. easy peasy. i will take trynd any day. i will be happy to.
I did CC him. ran away. with SWIFTNESS boots. ran after me . and again i will repeat myself. drove two full range turrets all the way to our inhib. and i made him cricle around the inhib. and he still fucking killed me. I mean I CCed him. what more is there to be done to run away from him.
why do I lose lane with him after he gets 1 item even if i have 30-40 more cs. it just boggles my fucking mind.
olaf is a big annoying but i will take olaf any day of the weak over garen. and i dont think hes that good if you are aware of his abilities but garen is just pure tankiness force that comes for your life and there is o escape unless you're like 40 teemos distance away.
Spaceman5pff3 votesYou died because you tried to 1v1 a Juggernaut as an ADC. That is YOUR fault.
PDE5 Inhibitors3 votesI'm guessing he missed the choppers. There is no other way that this happened lol.
WarlockLaw2 votesBonus movement speed == highly mobile. You want to complain about a high damage, high mobility tank then complain about Renekton.
Now I want to know how you are stunning people as Jinx. If I knew how to do that then I doubt I'd ever lose a game as Jinx again.
MunchCrunchLunch1 votesrenekton is a pain but in no way hes as tanky as garen. hes not as tanky as garen not even close.
WarlockLaw1 votesTrue, but Garen is the only juggernaut to have not seen a high pick/ban rate in competitive for at least a patch. If your team helps the adc (as they should), he is easily kited and forced to run away or change targets. Also his high damage is front loaded on the villian debuff. If you don't have that and avoid isolated spin damage his damage is closer to Leona or Nautilus.
MunchCrunchLunch1 votesdo i look like a competetive player for you?
Veraska1 votesI don't like garen either, he's a big ol noob tube, really easy to play, low counterplay play pattern, really insufferable when he's strong in the meta
A good way to determine a champions class is by there actions, not there build, like mundo and garen are fighters, because they wanna kill you, tanks are more like guys who either wanna protect tree team or lock down someone so your friends can kill them.
MunchCrunchLunch1 votesmundo is harder to kill then garen. way harder. but to do that he will have to tank so hard that he won't even do that much damage. and its way easier to get away from him. its too easy to dodge his pipe thing that he throws.
Veraska1 votesTru. Wasn't a power comparison, just saying they try and do the same thing and itemize similarly to do it.
BastionKross4 votesBeing able to absorb damage like a sponge is not the only reason a tank is a tank. If you take the right runes, masteries, and build the right items, any champ in the game can absorb damage; but that won't magically make them into a tank.
Tanks also need crowd control to draw aggro, or some sort of explosive initiation that puts them right in the middle of the enemy team. Garen has neither of those. His dinky little silence is not strong enough crowd control, and "running at you" is not decent initiation in most cases. Garen is like 
, he's not there to be the team tank. He's there to get to the backline and beat the tar out of the carries while being incredibly hard to bring down. Especially immobile carries like 
.
When you have a champion specifically designed to function as an anti-carry, they tend to be really good at murdering carries, towers or not. Imagine that.
Also, from what you described in the scenario you either:
Both are huge mistakes on your part.
And just as a minor nit pick, Garen is one of the most immobile champions in the game. If his 30% MS increase for a few seconds is making him too mobile for you, I'd hate to imagine what champions with real mobility like 
are going to be doing to you.
Spaceman5pff3 votesIf he can disagree with this then he should prob go back to Adventure Time Battle Party Arena.
trash sion2 votes"Why does a tank have that much mobility"
You do realize the only mobility in his kit is a short, weak speed boost. The rest of it is just itemization. If he itemizes to catch you, then you need to itemize to get away. Frozen mallet, furor boots, etc. The whole concept of a fighter is to have the advantage in 1v1 over a ranged attacker, but the disadvantage is that they have to get close. He itemized to get close, but you didn't itemize to keep distance. That's your fault.
Garen is awesome at deleting squishies. Sure, he ran through two turrets. The first one only got 3-4 shots on him, probably took 35-45%health. If he caught you at inhib turret, Q E R would kill you in less than 5 seconds. It makes sense that he would kill you. Fight Garen with your team, not 1v1.
MunchCrunchLunch1 votes30% speed boost is weak? lol
Ra1d2 votesUsed to be 35% and lasted longer plus he used to be tankier. Ttust me the current garen is weaker than prerewprk garen. Only thing that has changed are the items available to him.
trash sion2 votes"revealing it if it is not stealthed and slowing it by 30/40/50/60/70% for 2 seconds."
You were saying? 30% speed boost is easily countered by a >30% slow.
At early levels it only lasts for 1-2 seconds anyway, unless he maxed in first... in which case you should have leveled your slow first if you really wanted to counter him.
Sire Hippington1 votesactually, it's already countered by lower slows, as ms-buffs scale only with flat ms(base-ms+boots+few skills/masteries), while the slow is based on total ms. slow and speedbuff don't interact adidtive, but multiplicative. So fot an easy example, if we asume 400flat ms(like Yi with tier2 boots), a 25% speedbuff would increase that to 500(ignoreing the ms-soft cap to keep numbers simple). If then a 25% slow would hit, the ms doesn't go back to 400, but 375 since the slow will be based on the 500, not the 400.
trash sion1 votesMy bad, didn't realize how the interaction worked. Either way, you proved my point further lol
trash sion2 votesahem I know we're all thinking it, so I'll just say it.
disregardable1 votesDived is the older form and more common in North America. Dove is a newer word that only exists to sound pretentious (I'm not even joking). There was a huge movement by academics in the past 200 years or so to make English sound more sophisticated. Some examples: The plural form of octopus. Octopi is the more common plural (at least when spoken) from the Latin, and octopodes, from the Greek, is common in scientific literature. Octopus, however, is a completely English word, not derived from Latin or Greek, and so its proper plural is actually octopuses. But octopi sounds much smarter than octopuses, doesn't it? Another example is the age old grammar lesson "Never end a sentence with a preposition". That rule is meant to make English emulate the Greek language, where sentences aren't comprehensible if they end in prepositions. Sentences that end in prepositions ARE comprehensible in English though, so the only point of the rule is to give academics something to feel superior about. I will say that stuff like that is pretty much dead in contemporary English, as English professors not only realize that but had to teach me that, but that is where dove came from and why dived is not wrong.
trash sion1 votesI meant the fact that he was saying "Drive" and "Drove".... but okay. Thanks for the English lesson.
disregardable1 votesoh.
It's informative knowledge anyway.
Sire Hippington2 votesi guess he took enough driving lessons to earn his tower-driving license*[slayer-jinx-wink]*
MunchCrunchLunch1 votessomeone already made a similar joke. lame.
poppy has better jokes
MunchCrunchLunch1 votesif I can't outrun him after flashing with the swiftness boots. the movement speed increase from rapid fire cannon and statik shove both. how can I outrun garen? HOW.
because i don't want to kill garen anymore its hard with his tankiness and passive.
HOW DO I RUN AWAY FROM HIM? thats all i want to do. just run away from him and not die and i get a person laughing at me thinking they are playing the highest skill champ in te game
MisterHealYoGirl1 votesHis Q cleanses the slow from your Zap!, so you'll want to wait until he uses it to hit him with it. If you fall back across your Flame Chompers, you should create some distance that he'll have to use his Q to close. Your W and his Q should be at about the same rank (since they're both maxed second), and so they're on about the same cooldown. Therefore, you should be able to Zap! him every time he uses Decisive Strike.
That said, Jinx's biggest weakness is bruisers who can survive her damage and still kill her, fighters like Vi, Illaoi and yes, Garen. Putting her toplane, where that kind of champion dominates, is probably a bad idea.
disregardable1 votesThis is Jinx's weakness. She isn't Lucian. She isn't mobile. She is slow and easily caught out. If anyone from the enemy team gets onto you, you die. Realistically if you got chased through 2 turrets without your teammates doing anything to stop him, your team deserved for you to die. Also, don't dance under a turret against a garen. His ultimate is ranged. Don't be greedy, just run.
MunchCrunchLunch1 votesbut this happens in every champ i play. garen drives turrets. kills me. and gets away. happens every time.
Spaceman5pff1 votesIf he can dive you on literally EVERY champion that that is, again, your fault.
Or you could start playing Garen since he is so OP. 450 IP, good deal.
Meep Man1 votesDont drink and drive your turrets kids!
Erockandroll1 votesIf he's diving two turrets, I'm assuming those would have to be nexus turrets. Which means this happens later in the game.
And that late into the game, then yeah, the turret damage is comparatively weaker. Also, if your the ADC, you should not be anywhere near the enemy Frontliner. You should be behind the support of your team. You let them peel Garen for you.
Shonjl1 votesWell you have to consider his W. Dead mans and cleaver alone gives over 1k hp as well as a good chunk of armor, his W gives him passive armor and activated gives %damage reduction. It isn't uncommon at all that Garen could ignore turrets when he probably had his W up for both of them.
Did you time your zaps? If you used it after he Q he would have been screwed. No way in hell he would have kept up with you unless you used it then he Q after it.
Also Garen is a bruiser/Juggernaut, their job is to kill adcs by enduring their damage, so yeah, you won't most likely be able to 1v1 one ever unless grossly ahead. That is kinda the whole point of a bruiser.
MunchCrunchLunch1 votesbut every other brusier can't drive two fucking turrets with 70% health. by driving turrets i meant he drove the diameter of the turret. can you name one? because i can't. with two items. no actually the first time he did it with just the plate
Lost Hp1 votesthe question i am more interested is why in hell do you play jinx top?
dead mans plate + steraks gage + black cleaver + W make it easy to tower dive
Shrek Luigi1 votesProbably because he's Garen and you're Jinx. Pretty bad matchup on your part.
HowTragik1 votesPoke him with your auto attacks and watch out for his gap closer. Garen vs any ranged champ with some type of cc should easily be able to poke him without getting caught. Some other champs that can do exactly what garen can do are poppy, j4, leesin, renekton, irelia, there's so many.. If you catch him under turret with your snare, and your slow, and not kill him, build some armor pen
Unpaladin1 votesIf Garen can't optimize his speed boosts and work around what other players bring to the table, he basically ends up doing nothing. Have you tried getting Furor boots or, you know, that one item that everyone forgot about? The one designed to stop this exact thing?
Oh yeah, this one: 